Comments on: Life, the BNP and everything - well a few things anyway http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/ Please allow me to Introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste... Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:04:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3 by: Stephen http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3980 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:42:01 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3980 I think you are absolutely right to be concerned about the BNP. Politically they are so close to Labour that they must be seen as a major threat. I think you are absolutely right to be concerned about the BNP. Politically they are so close to Labour that they must be seen as a major threat.

]]> by: Unity http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3705 Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:28:52 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3705 >>> Free speech for those who advocate free speech. not the other way round. I'll leave the retort to Rosa... "Without general elections, without unrestricted freedom of press and assembly, without a free struggle of opinion, life dies out in every public institution, becomes a mere semblance of life, in which only the bureaucracy remains as the active element. Public life gradually falls asleep, a few dozen party leaders of inexhaustible energy and boundless experience direct and rule. Such conditions must inevitably cause a brutalization of public life: attempted assassinations, shootings of hostages, etc." We should not censor, even the BNP, because to do so is to descend to their level... and we are and should be better than that. That's how I see it. >>> Free speech for those who advocate free speech. not the other way round.

I’ll leave the retort to Rosa…

“Without general elections, without unrestricted freedom of press and assembly, without a free struggle of opinion, life dies out in every public institution, becomes a mere semblance of life, in which only the bureaucracy remains as the active element. Public life gradually falls asleep, a few dozen party leaders of inexhaustible energy and boundless experience direct and rule. Such conditions must inevitably cause a brutalization of public life: attempted assassinations, shootings of hostages, etc.”

We should not censor, even the BNP, because to do so is to descend to their level… and we are and should be better than that.

That’s how I see it.

]]> by: el tom http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3704 Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:05:55 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3704 I'm with you on the libertarian left of labour... but the BNP cannot hope to claim that 'free speech' defence when they themselves support the censoring, disenfranchisment and eventual forced deportation of British citizens. let's take a utilitarian perspective; the comparison is the free speech of about 5000 BNPers vs the free speech of millions. Free speech for those who advocate free speech. not the other way round. I’m with you on the libertarian left of labour…

but the BNP cannot hope to claim that ‘free speech’ defence when they themselves support the censoring, disenfranchisment and eventual forced deportation of British citizens.

let’s take a utilitarian perspective; the comparison is the free speech of about 5000 BNPers vs the free speech of millions.

Free speech for those who advocate free speech. not the other way round.

]]> by: Alex Hilton http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3695 Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:22:13 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3695 Absolutely excellent piece. But on defending the indefensible, it's hard to know what to do when you're party's on the back foot. You're in the party because of what you believe in and all the shenanigans and compromises, mistakes and plain wrong-headed decisions by MPs all seem like minutiae in relationship to the desire to end poverty and save the planet. We are the good guys at the end of the day, even if our leading lights sometimes make mistakes. Absolutely excellent piece. But on defending the indefensible, it’s hard to know what to do when you’re party’s on the back foot. You’re in the party because of what you believe in and all the shenanigans and compromises, mistakes and plain wrong-headed decisions by MPs all seem like minutiae in relationship to the desire to end poverty and save the planet.
We are the good guys at the end of the day, even if our leading lights sometimes make mistakes.

]]> by: Jabberwocky http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3647 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:25:59 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3647 Re. the mixed-race family facing eviction due to 'anonymous' complaints by 'racist' neighbours. You are quite right - it stinks. But then injustice of any kind does. Just what did you think your beloved NuLab commisars were doing when they brought in their 'anti-racism' agenda and re-wrote our laws so that someone could be branded a 'racist' on the hearsay complaint of one person, rather than insisting on their complaint being corroborated by at least two independent witnesses? I don't suppose you were you were up in arms as long as only 'nasty, white, racist' people were on the receiving end. Oh, I forgot, I am an oppressor by virtue of my gender and the colour of my skin, so I don't have any rights, and my perceptions don't matter. Re. the mixed-race family facing eviction due to ‘anonymous’ complaints by ‘racist’ neighbours. You are quite right - it stinks. But then injustice of any kind does. Just what did you think your beloved NuLab commisars were doing when they brought in their ‘anti-racism’ agenda and re-wrote our laws so that someone could be branded a ‘racist’ on the hearsay complaint of one person, rather than insisting on their complaint being corroborated by at least two independent witnesses? I don’t suppose you were you were up in arms as long as only ‘nasty, white, racist’ people were on the receiving end. Oh, I forgot, I am an oppressor by virtue of my gender and the colour of my skin, so I don’t have any rights, and my perceptions don’t matter.

]]> by: Sunny http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3542 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:35:00 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3542 Whoa, talk about 50 points in one post! I agree on the BNP, I wrote a similar article a while back: http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/television/909 On getting Labour to tackle immigration, I feel it is almost a losing battle to try it. It makes more sense for Labour to try and avoid the issue and casually pander to racism. I think the way forward is for a pressure group like Migration Watch to put the other side forward consistently and loudly. And not in a way and using the language the current band of race relations "experts" do. More on this later. Whoa, talk about 50 points in one post!

I agree on the BNP, I wrote a similar article a while back:
http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/television/909

On getting Labour to tackle immigration, I feel it is almost a losing battle to try it. It makes more sense for Labour to try and avoid the issue and casually pander to racism.

I think the way forward is for a pressure group like Migration Watch to put the other side forward consistently and loudly. And not in a way and using the language the current band of race relations “experts” do.

More on this later.

]]> by: Infoholic http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3469 Sun, 16 Jul 2006 14:00:35 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3469 Just when I'd given up on Labour as power-crazed and unprincipled beyond repair, a sane voice from the back restores a faint glimmer of hope. Good luck to you Sir... Just when I’d given up on Labour as power-crazed and unprincipled beyond repair, a sane voice from the back restores a faint glimmer of hope. Good luck to you Sir…

]]> by: Tim Worstall http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3456 Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:06:46 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3456 <strong>Britblog Roundup # 74...</strong> Yes! It’sthe Brotblog Roundup in it’s shrunken summer form, all svelte and ready for that bikini on the beach. Clearly people are on their hols rather than reading blogs and recommending things to us: you can change that by sending... Britblog Roundup # 74…

Yes! It’sthe Brotblog Roundup in it’s shrunken summer form, all svelte and ready for that bikini on the beach. Clearly people are on their hols rather than reading blogs and recommending things to us: you can change that by sending…

]]> by: Neil Harding http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3361 Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:51:06 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/14/life-the-bnp-and-everything-well-a-few-things-anyway/#comment-3361 On the BNP, you are absolutely right that trying to suppress or ignore them is allowing them to grow. I believe the FPTP electoral system encourages this complacency and also encourages the irresponsible anti-immigrant propaganda of the Tories and their press friends who use this propaganda as a stick to hit Labour with. Under PR this negative tactic wouldn't be useful for them and we would all have to tackle the BNP and racist ignorance generally. On Cameron, I think his liberal talk gives us a big opportunity, we need to take it and expose the gap between Tory policies and their new image. On Labour, you are absolutely right, nobody should defend our lurch into corruption and sleaze. On ASBOs, I can't comment on the exact case you talk about, but generally even the Greens think ASBOs have been a success and they are hardly new Labour. On the BNP, you are absolutely right that trying to suppress or ignore them is allowing them to grow. I believe the FPTP electoral system encourages this complacency and also encourages the irresponsible anti-immigrant propaganda of the Tories and their press friends who use this propaganda as a stick to hit Labour with. Under PR this negative tactic wouldn’t be useful for them and we would all have to tackle the BNP and racist ignorance generally.

On Cameron, I think his liberal talk gives us a big opportunity, we need to take it and expose the gap between Tory policies and their new image.

On Labour, you are absolutely right, nobody should defend our lurch into corruption and sleaze.

On ASBOs, I can’t comment on the exact case you talk about, but generally even the Greens think ASBOs have been a success and they are hardly new Labour.

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