Comments on: The Fishwives of Fleet Street http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/ Please allow me to Introduce myself, I\'m a man of wealth and taste... Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:21:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Nosemonkey / Europhobia » Bloggers vs. columnists http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-5496 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:06:49 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-5496 [...] Following Tim, Justin and (most comprehensively) Unity, I’ve had a bash at those Janet Street-Porter and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown articles on blogging from the other week, in the Press Gazette (out Thursday, apparently with a lovely piccy of yours truly…)Thursday update: The comment facility has been fixed. August 8th, 20064:37 pm 7 Responses to “Bloggers vs. columnists” [...] […] Following Tim, Justin and (most comprehensively) Unity, I’ve had a bash at those Janet Street-Porter and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown articles on blogging from the other week, in the Press Gazette (out Thursday, apparently with a lovely piccy of yours truly…)Thursday update: The comment facility has been fixed. August 8th, 20064:37 pm 7 Responses to “Bloggers vs. columnists” […]

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by: Nosemonkey / Europhobia » Bloggers vs. columnists http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-5488 Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:43:32 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-5488 [...] / Europhobia Anglo-European politics by J Clive Matthews Bloggers vs. columnists Following Tim, Justin and (most comprehensively) Unity, I’ve had a bash at those JanetStreet-Porter and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown articles on blogging from the other week, in the Press Gazette (out Thursday, apparently with a lovely piccy of yours truly…)Thursday update: The comment facility has been fixed. August 8th, 2006 7 Responses to “Bloggers vs. columnists” [...] […] / Europhobia Anglo-European politics by J Clive Matthews Bloggers vs. columnists Following Tim, Justin and (most comprehensively) Unity, I’ve had a bash at those JanetStreet-Porter and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown articles on blogging from the other week, in the Press Gazette (out Thursday, apparently with a lovely piccy of yours truly…)Thursday update: The comment facility has been fixed. August 8th, 2006 7 Responses to “Bloggers vs. columnists” […]

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by: ernest jones http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-5306 Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:38:05 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-5306 A policeman's lot Published: November 10 2006 02:00 | Last updated: November 10 2006 02:00 A police inquiry is trying to establish whether anyone has broken laws that ban the sale of peerages and cover the disclosure of political donations and loans. As the investigation gathers momentum, detectives are quizzing some senior political figures as possible witnesses and it looks increasingly likely that Tony Blair, the prime minister, will be questioned. All those involved have denied any wrongdoing. A record of an interview at Westminster has come into the hands of the FT. ADVERTISEMENT Detective: What was your role in nominations to membership of the House of Lords? MP for Erewhon: I'm glad you asked me that question. Our party has long campaigned against sleaze in politics. Our rule is: "Not just clean, but seen to be clean." That is our record, it is in marked contrast to our opponents' and I am proud to stand by it. Det.: I see. But can you explain to me your role in nominations for peerages? MP: I think it is pretty clear from my position in the party that no important decision is taken without me. Except, that is, those politically sensitive ones where I choose not to be involved. Det.: And were you involved in nominating candidates for peerages? MP: I've already dealt with that in my previous answer. Det.: Were you involved in nominating candidates for peerages? MP: Please don't interrupt. You have asked your question, now do me the courtesy of listening to my answer. I have behaved appropriately at all times. But, obviously, someone caught up in as many important matters as I am cannot recall every detail of every conversation - especially those I prefer to forget. These matters are now in the past. We have all moved on. Det.: What did you know about party funding? MP: Look, this may obsess some parts of the Westminster village, but out there in the country, real people are concerned about real issues, like the state of our schools and hospitals and whether our streets are safe. When I meet my constituents they don't say to me: "What is happening in the cash-for-peerages affair?" They say to me: "We want politicians to focus on the really important questions - such as climate change and security." And that is what I am doing. Det.: It would be in your interests to co-operate more fully, you know. We've one of your colleagues in another room, singing like a canary. MP: I am sure my colleagues are maintaining their usual high standards of loyalty. Det.: Are you? You don't want to be the fall guy - the one they leave to take the rap. MP: I have every faith in party unity. In this instance that faith is underpinned by our style of doing business, which means there is little hard evidence of who decided what. And now, you must excuse me, I am due in the corridors of power. A policeman’s lot
Published: November 10 2006 02:00 | Last updated: November 10 2006 02:00

A police inquiry is trying to establish whether anyone has broken laws that ban the sale of peerages and cover the disclosure of political donations and loans. As the investigation gathers momentum, detectives are quizzing some senior political figures as possible witnesses and it looks increasingly likely that Tony Blair, the prime minister, will be questioned. All those involved have denied any wrongdoing.

A record of an interview at Westminster has come into the hands of the FT.

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Detective: What was your role in nominations to membership of the House of Lords?

MP for Erewhon: I’m glad you asked me that question. Our party has long campaigned against sleaze in politics. Our rule is: “Not just clean, but seen to be clean.” That is our record, it is in marked contrast to our opponents’ and I am proud to stand by it.

Det.: I see. But can you explain to me your role in nominations for peerages?

MP: I think it is pretty clear from my position in the party that no important decision is taken without me. Except, that is, those politically sensitive ones where I choose not to be involved.

Det.: And were you involved in nominating candidates for peerages?

MP: I’ve already dealt with that in my previous answer.

Det.: Were you involved in nominating candidates for peerages?

MP: Please don’t interrupt. You have asked your question, now do me the courtesy of listening to my answer. I have behaved appropriately at all times. But, obviously, someone caught up in as many important matters as I am cannot recall every detail of every conversation - especially those I prefer to forget. These matters are now in the past. We have all moved on.

Det.: What did you know about party funding?

MP: Look, this may obsess some parts of the Westminster village, but out there in the country, real people are concerned about real issues, like the state of our schools and hospitals and whether our streets are safe. When I meet my constituents they don’t say to me: “What is happening in the cash-for-peerages affair?” They say to me: “We want politicians to focus on the really important questions - such as climate change and security.” And that is what I am doing.

Det.: It would be in your interests to co-operate more fully, you know. We’ve one of your colleagues in another room, singing like a canary.

MP: I am sure my colleagues are maintaining their usual high standards of loyalty.

Det.: Are you? You don’t want to be the fall guy - the one they leave to take the rap.

MP: I have every faith in party unity. In this instance that faith is underpinned by our style of doing business, which means there is little hard evidence of who decided what. And now, you must excuse me, I am due in the corridors of power.

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by: Bewilderbeest http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3890 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:55:57 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3890 Oh joy !! Sorry for being slow to catch on but it is so re-assuring to know that there are others out there who are contemptuous of the established media - collectively and individually - because of their arrogance, ignorance and abscence of morals and self respect. I take heart from the fact that however hard they try their labours are in the bin 24 hours later - and then they have to do it all again without ever knowing if anyone read it much less believed it. Hang on..I'm starting to cry !! Oh joy !! Sorry for being slow to catch on but it is so re-assuring to know that there are others out there who are contemptuous of the established media - collectively and individually - because of their arrogance, ignorance and abscence of morals and self respect.
I take heart from the fact that however hard they try their labours are in the bin 24 hours later - and then they have to do it all again without ever knowing if anyone read it much less believed it. Hang on..I’m starting to cry !!

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by: Longrider http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3889 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:13:43 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3889 This is all a bit reminiscent of the invention of the printing press and the subsequent production of an English Bible. That the proles have access to the ability to publish their thoughts for others to see; whatever next? This is all a bit reminiscent of the invention of the printing press and the subsequent production of an English Bible. That the proles have access to the ability to publish their thoughts for others to see; whatever next?

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by: Guido Fawkes http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3886 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:01:40 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3886 I stand by the story. If you read what Yasmin has said elsewhere she effectively says that, yes, the Yard did call her to say they would like to ask her some questions relating to the testimony but she said she had nothing to add. I stand by the story. If you read what Yasmin has said elsewhere she effectively says that, yes, the Yard did call her to say they would like to ask her some questions relating to the testimony but she said she had nothing to add.

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by: bt http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3851 Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:35:04 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3851 Possibly it's the shock of having a horde of opinionated unknowns willing to take up the cudgels to give them a good bashing that's upset them. The occasional letter to the editor can be ignored - and on the dinner party merry-go-round it's still considered a bit off to tear a female guest's arguments to shreds. None of which counts on the blogs. He/she who utters tripe is in for a pasting. Still, what bothers me more than the vacuous inanities, the sophistry, the (often glaring) partiality and the lack of supporting evidence for many of the arguments, is the total lack of wit, of humour, of mischievious pot-stirring that can make even an article whose contentions damn it to the nethermost reaches of hell readable. They're so damned po-faced. And they haven't yet figured out that they're out-numbered. Poor them. Possibly it’s the shock of having a horde of opinionated unknowns willing to take up the cudgels to give them a good bashing that’s upset them. The occasional letter to the editor can be ignored - and on the dinner party merry-go-round it’s still considered a bit off to tear a female guest’s arguments to shreds. None of which counts on the blogs. He/she who utters tripe is in for a pasting.

Still, what bothers me more than the vacuous inanities, the sophistry, the (often glaring) partiality and the lack of supporting evidence for many of the arguments, is the total lack of wit, of humour, of mischievious pot-stirring that can make even an article whose contentions damn it to the nethermost reaches of hell readable. They’re so damned po-faced.
And they haven’t yet figured out that they’re out-numbered.
Poor them.

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by: . http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3849 Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:49:22 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3849 I think the reason that the female commentariat are feeling so threatened especially is because so many of them are, not to put to fine a point on it, Glenda Slaggs. There's a few notable exceptions - Jackie Ashley is, despite her recent wonderment at blogging, a good commentator, as is Natasha Walter. Apart from those who are more based in academia rather than journalism, how many more decent female commentators can you think of? That there is the problem for them, because anyone with a blog on the internet can be a Glenda Slagg, while it certainly isn't as easy to come up with a detailed analysis of where the Child Support Agency went wrong and how to fix it. I think the reason that the female commentariat are feeling so threatened especially is because so many of them are, not to put to fine a point on it, Glenda Slaggs. There’s a few notable exceptions - Jackie Ashley is, despite her recent wonderment at blogging, a good commentator, as is Natasha Walter. Apart from those who are more based in academia rather than journalism, how many more decent female commentators can you think of?

That there is the problem for them, because anyone with a blog on the internet can be a Glenda Slagg, while it certainly isn’t as easy to come up with a detailed analysis of where the Child Support Agency went wrong and how to fix it.

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by: Tristan http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3846 Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:27:04 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2006/07/24/the-fishwives-of-fleet-street/#comment-3846 <i>Most of us don’t think this freedom is a wonderful liberation</i> I think the 'us' is the 'intellectuals' and 'opinion formers' of the established media who don't like it now that people other than the few whose letters are selected by the paper can say what we think and answer back and even point out errors in what they say! (shocking I know) Oh and sometimes untrue things are said, or people fail to do their research properly, but that is true of the established media. The only newspaper which seems to have decent fact checkers is the Economist... Most of us don’t think this freedom is a wonderful liberation

I think the ‘us’ is the ‘intellectuals’ and ‘opinion formers’ of the established media who don’t like it now that people other than the few whose letters are selected by the paper can say what we think and answer back and even point out errors in what they say! (shocking I know)

Oh and sometimes untrue things are said, or people fail to do their research properly, but that is true of the established media. The only newspaper which seems to have decent fact checkers is the Economist…

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