Without fanfare and with precious little attention from seemingly any of the core Eustonistas, it would appear that Norman Geras has quietly and self-effacingly recanted his once open support for the war in Iraq.

Still, there have been too many deaths; there has been too much other suffering. It has lately become clear to me - and this predates publication of the second Lancet report - that, whatever should now happen in Iraq, the war that I’ve supported has failed according to one benchmark of which I’m in a position to be completely certain.

That is, had I been able to foresee, in January and February 2003, that the war would have the results it has actually had in the numbers of Iraqis killed and the numbers now daily dying, with the country (more than three years down the line) on the very threshold of civil war if not already across that threshold, I would not have felt able to support the war and I would not have supported it. Measured, in other words, against the hopes of what it might lead to and the likelihoods as I assessed them, the war has failed. Had I foreseen a failure of this magnitude, I would have withheld my support. Even then, I would not have been able to bring myself to oppose the war. As I have said two or three times before, nothing on earth could have induced me to march or otherwise campaign for a course of action that would have saved the Baathist regime. But I would have stood aside.

Quite a revelation, one might think, although not one it would seem that (m)any of the more vocal supporters of the Euston Manifesto has thought worth commenting on – a quick and far from exhaustive scan through several of blogs most closely (and vocally) associated with the ‘Credo Eustonista’ (Harry’s Place, Oliver Kamm, Pootergeek, Shuggy, Paulie, etc.) reveals not a solitary musing on the subject of Norm’s muted volte-face, Nothing. Nada. Not a flicker of recognition, embarrassed or otherwise.

Which rather, to my mind, does Norm a major disservice.

Update/Correction: It seems I do Oliver Kamm a minor disservice that I am happy to correct in as much as it transpires that he has commented on Norm’s article, if only to indicate his disagreement with Norm’s conclusions and intention of responding fully in due course…

I respect but do not share the judgement that Norman expresses in this post. I believe our difference may be due, in part at least, to the fact that our grounds for supporting the Iraq War in 2003, while associated, were not identical. I will endeavour to explain why, in light of Norman’s reasoning, I do not agree with his conclusions.

Whatever one might have thought of Norm’s often unswerving support for the moral ‘rightness’ of the Iraq war, even as matters ran what were, to the war’s opponents on the rational left, their inevitable course; there remains a significant element of personal courage in any admission of error for which, on this occasion, Norm deserves full credit.

It is not easy to admit that one has got something badly wrong and in qualifying his repudiation of the war and the course its has followed since Bush prematurely declared himself and America the victor in 2003, Norm has said nothing that one could consider to be unreasonable mitigation for his views.

It is not wrong to express the hope that it may be possible to salvage something from the current shambles that is Iraq, nor to take the view that an immediate and unilateral withdrawal of Western forces would amount to no more than throwing the Iraqi people to the wolves, albeit that many of those wolves are of our own invention. Nor is it wrong to express principled opposition to the former Ba’athist regime in Iraq nor even the view that…

Sometimes there is a justification for opposing tyranny and barbarism whatever the cost. Had I been of mature years during that time, I hope I would have supported the war against Nazism come what may, and not been one of the others, the nay-sayers.

Norm’s error, such as it is, has been one of naivety. He has been that bit too concerned with ideals, principles and with the morality of situation in Iraq to the exclusion of considering its realities; but as faults go it is one that I can personally view with a measure of indulgence. There is always a need for someone to speak up for ideals, for principles and for moral values, but that need must be balanced by an understanding of their limitations along with their value. Such is the essential difference between spiritual/intellectual leadership and secular leadership and by his error in the matter of the Iraq war, Norm identifies himself as being more suited to the former than to the latter.

One has to wonder why it is that Norm’s rescission of his support for the Iraq war has received so little open attention is ‘decent’ circles.

Could this be a sign of embarrassment, perhaps? Or maybe it is anxiety that prompts the more belligerently vocal Eustonistas to look the other way while Norm executes his act of mild contrition; the fear that this might somehow serve to undermine the Euston ‘project’ as a whole.

If such is true, and who knows it may well be the case, then such fears and anxieties as may reside amongst supporters of the Euston ‘project’ are entirely miscast and predicated on a misreading of the real significance of Norm’s comments.

In admitting to an error of judgment on the Iraq war, Norm has opened the door to a possible rapprochement on the left between the Eustonistas and those left-wing rationalists who opposition to the war has gone unabated throughout but whose views have never tipped over into the anti-Imperialist dogma and naked communalism of RESPECT and the Socialist Worker’s Party.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong or at fault in the underlying ideals and principles upon which the Euston Manifesto is founded, indeed as an aspirational document for the left it contains much that is to be commended. That it has not commanded wider support amongst left-wing rationalists has stemmed in part from the, at times, rigid refusal of the vocal self-identified decents to concede the fact that the political and ideological basis upon which the Iraq War was entered into in reality in no way substantively reflects the values of the Manifesto, or even the core values of ‘the left’, if one can adequately describe ‘the left’ in terms of a single entity.

Put simply, if there is to be a template for a new left-wing internationalism then Iraq is not it, nor indeed is to be found within an alliance, however loose, with the doctrine of neo-conservatism that provided the actual political and ideological impetus for that war.

If one is to enter the struggle against totalitarism and remain true to one’s left-wing instincts then one cannot fall into the same trap that has engulfed the SWP and its supporters, that of believing that the enemy of our enemy must automatically become our friend. America is not the enemy, nor should it become so for as long it holds true to those values that are expressed in its declaration of independence and in its constitution, but nor is the present regime of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton Wolfowitz et al, our friend. Its agenda in professing to seek to ‘export’ democracy to those who suffer under the yoke of tyranny and oppression is not our agenda nor its preferred form of democracy, one that is supine in its gratitude to the military and economic power of the United States military-industrial complex, our democracy.

It has been said on numerous occasions that in opposing the war in Iraq ‘the left’ lost its ‘moral compass’. That may be true of those whose opposition takes the form of unthinking and uncritical support for the former Ba’athist regime in Iraq and for its monstrous former President, but it would also be true to say that the left’s moral compass is at least distorted, if not lost, on those occasions that it ceases to think for itself and view the world with a critical eye; and as it would appear that Norm has discovered with the benefit of hindsight, the Iraq war was one such occasion, much as the pacifism of the 1930s in face of the rise of Fascism in Europe was another.

Does this then mean that I have substantively changed my view of the Euston Manifesto?

No. Not as yet.

Much as Norm could rightly be considered the ‘conscience’ of the Eustonistas his admission of error in the matter of the Iraq war is but that of one man and it has yet to be seen whether others amongst the manifesto’s most vocal and strident supporters are equally prepared to avail themselves of the wisdom that hindsight brings. One swallow, after all, does not make a summer.

There is much that the Eustonistas must yet do to win over the left-wing rationalists who formed the real core of opposition to the Iraq war; open recognition of our very existence would assist matters greatly as would an end to the blanket use of the archaic rhetoric of the 1930s, i.e. ‘apologist’ and ‘fellow travellers’ as an ideological slur on the rationalist camp. The ‘rational’ left, that which opposed the war in Iraq with the benefit of foresight as to the disastrous situation in which one now finds the country, has never once swallowed the dogma and demagoguery that has been the hallmark of those, like RESPECT, who opposed the war for entirely ideological reasons, and, as would have been entirely apparent had the pro-war left even been minded to listen, both rejects and thoroughly resents such accusations.

The next step, for those Eustonistas who might be minded to take up the opportunity for rapprochement afforded, perhaps unwittingly, by Norm, must therefore come in the form of a clear acceptance both that the broad debate on Iraq amongst the left has never been about a mere two opposing ideological positions; the ‘decents’ and the ‘stoppers’ but that a third position, one that opposed the Iraq war and yet is by turns rationalist and realist in perspective, has existed throughout and still exists without it ever having due reference to the ideological-driven opposition of those ‘Trotskyists’ who have, since the demise of the Soviet Union, successfully transferred their own brand of negative and oppositional ‘nationalism’ to the United States – and if anyone is unsure of what I mean here or of my usage of the term ‘nationalism’ in this context, then check the side bar for a link to Orwell’s essay ‘Notes on Nationalism’, which will explain the background to these comments.

Beyond those first tentative steps, who can say how things might develop – all one can be sure of is that there would be scope for constructive dialogue and therefore a more realistic prospect of forging the kind of ‘fresh political alliance’ that the preamble to the manifesto proposes than could be realised by the Eustonistas going it alone.

Before signing off there are two substantive and interlinked points in Norm’s article that I believe deserve an explicit response, both of which raise the question of foresight amongst those who opposed the war:

It is noticeable, in this regard, that opponents of the war who were always confident its costs would be too high don’t avoid the difficulty; at any rate I’ve not seen judgements from their side of what costs they would have found acceptable, nor estimates of what the costs of leaving Saddam in power would have been - something which nobody really knows.

And…

Were we therefore wrong to support the war, those of us who did? In terms of what we hoped and what we thought likely, we obviously were - given how things have actually turned out. But on the basis of what could have been reliably foreseen, I think it’s harder to say that. Only if the disaster was always foreseeable as the most likely outcome would I be convinced of it. I’m aware, of course, that there are opponents of the war who claim it always was foreseeable, but there are other impulses at work there than a detached estimate of probabilities, and amongst these has been a desire not to dwell too closely on how bad things had been in Iraq over some three decades.

To which I can only respond in terms of my own personal judgment of the situation in Iraq leading into and since the 2003 invasion and how that, in turn, coloured my thinking on the war itself.

I make no great claim to predictive ability or prophecy in such matters. My opposition to the war was founded on no more than a weighing of different factors leading to a personal conclusion as to the most likely outcome of the invasion. It was a judgment call, no more and no less than would have be than which led Norm to support the invasion.

As regards what I would have considered an acceptable price in human life and human suffering for the successful excision of Iraq’s ruling Ba’athist regime, the only answer I have is that I genuinely don’t know. In my personal calculations, I  never did arrive at such a figure for no better reason than the fact that long before I even came to consider the human cost of the invasion I came to conclusion that the most likely outcome of such an invasion would be failure; not in military terms of course, but in terms of the long-term objective of constructing a free and democratic Iraq out of the aftermath of war, or to be more exact my conclusion was that the chance of success was so small as to afford no real prospect of such a future for the Iraqi people.

Does that sound clinical and a little inhuman, perhaps?

In truth, my sympathies lie closer to Norm’s than one might expect in this matter.

Seeing no prospect of a successful outcome, the question of what price in human life and suffering could be justified became entirely moot. Had I ever perceived the to be a chance of success, my thinking would have been very different, the ‘acceptable’ costs would have been quite high, in my own personal estimation, for the undoubted benefits of a safe and secure future for the Iraqi people within a free, independent, and democratic nation state of their own; although I have to say that only the Iraqi people, themselves, can truly judge precisely the price they would be prepared to pay for such a future.

As to why I concluded that failure would be not only the likely outcome but the only conceivable one, I could easily write a dissertation on that subject and still not cover all the factors that influenced my thinking.

If one factor in particular stands out, however it would be that expressed most clearly and succinctly by Gandhi…

The spirit of democracy cannot be imposed from without. It has to come from within.

Nowhere in my consideration of the many factors that I perceived as mediating against a successful outcome to the 2003 invasion; the many barriers that Iraq’s history of division on geographical, ethnic, religious, economic would put in the way of a successful exercise in ‘nation-building’, and all the deep-seated animosities that spring from those forces, did I ever see there to be the existence of a genuine democratic will amongst the Iraqi people of sufficient strength and scope to overcome those barriers.

The will to democracy was not, and is not, strong enough at present to provide the platform necessary for a free and democratic Iraq, in my estimation, and if that ‘spirit’ is lacking in the Iraqi people in sufficiebnt quantity to make such a future possible then it certainly cannot be imposed upon them by an external force, even one so overwhelming in economic and military terms as the United States.

In truth, I could see from the outset only two possible conclusions to this war.

One was the balkanisation of Iraq on ethnic and religious lines leading to a failed state, civil war and regional destabilisation, not least as the influence of neighbouring states, Iran, Syria and even Turkey (who wish to avoid the creation of independent Kurdistan at all costs in order preclude demands for secession for its own, heavily oppressed Kurdish minority) would inevitably be far from benign. This, in broad terms, is the developing situation in Iraq today.

The other was either a clerically-inspired coup d’etat or the emergence of a new ‘strong man’ leader, in either case coming from and initiated by the majority Shi’a population, with the result either a quasi-democratic/theocratic state after the fashion of post-revolutionary Iran or a new dictator and totalitarian regime, much after the fashion of the ‘big man’ politics of some African states, in which the occasional foray into democracy has amounted to little more than a convenient mechanism by which one chooses one’s next absolute ruler. The real test of democracy is never what happens when one votes someone into power, but what happens when one attempts to vote someone out of office, as several African nations, not least Zimbabwe, have so ably demonstrated over the post-colonial era.

There, for what its worth, is the basis of my own ‘powers’ of foresight – nothing more than logic, rational thought and appreciation of history and of the various social and political forces that tend to work against democracy if left unchecked.

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There are times that one has to question the very sanity of some of our leading politicians, never mind their judgment and common sense, and today would appear to be one of them; as evidence by this official press release that appeared on the Labour Party website in the last hour or so…

Tory Opposition on Police and Justice Bill exposes Cameron’s hypocrisy on crime - Reid

For starters, what this headline tells us is that what follows will amount to nothing more than the usual political pissing contest over ‘who’s the toughest on crime’ - ho hum…

The Tories have yet again exposed their hypocrisy when it comes to crime today as they voted to retain measures in the Police and Justice Bill which mean criminals will be able to evade justice. Had the Tories won this vote they would have restricted the ability for the UK to extradite criminals from the USA to face justice, and put an end to important modernisation to tackle international crime.

Ah, so this is about the highly contentious extradition treaty that David Blunkett signed, using the Royal Prerogative, in 2003 and then hurried through Parliament as the Extradition Act 2003; the one that was sold as providing for fast-track extradition to the US for terrorist suspects but which has since been used almost exclusively to pursue alleged cases of ‘white collar’ crime.

John Reid, Labour’s Home Secretary, said:
 
"This is yet more evidence of David Cameron’s hypocrisy on crime. One minute he promises to take the measures necessary to address crime, the next he votes against Labour’s measures to do just that.
 
"Only last month, Cameron spoke of his desire to ‘get tough’ on white collar crime, but today his party have demonstrated how hollow those words were. And when this legislation first came through parliament he expressed his concern about the need to streamline extradition.
 
"The British public will judge Cameron and his party on their actions, not words. No amount of presentation will allow Cameron to escape the reality of the Tory record: they have continually opposed Labour’s tough measures on crime.
 
"David Cameron says one thing but he does another: he talks tough on crime, but he votes soft."

And there we have the pissing contest in full swing, long on rhetorical nonsense and devoid of reasoned argument… but the press release goes on…

END 

Notes to editors:

1. At Lords Committee stage on 11 July, the Lords made amendments to the Police and Justice Bill on three issues.

o One was to remove the United States from a list of countries which do not have to provide prima facie evidence (but do have to provide detailed information about  the facts of the case to enable the court to decide whether the offences are also crimes under English law)  

o The second was to require the judge to refuse an extradition request if any of the conduct in the request was carried out in the UK, unless he could establish that it would be in the interests of justice to extradite the person

o The third would prevent us, at any time in the future (without primary legislation) changing the evidential requirements for the US; effectively killing the new treaty.

And here we come to the nub of the issue…

One was to remove the United States from a list of countries which do not have to provide prima facie evidence (but do have to provide detailed information about  the facts of the case to enable the court to decide whether the offences are also crimes under English law)

In layman’s terms, the 2003 treaty creates a situation in which, without the Tory’s amendments, the US merely has to demonstrate that a British citizen (or resident) is to be charged after extradition with an offence that would be a crime under UK law - what we would normally refer to as ‘making an allegation’ - but without there being any requirement that the US authorities provide any prima facie evidence to support that allegation.

This second requirement, the removal of which the Home Office objects to is what in the US judicial system is referred to as ‘probably cause’ which is defined, at its most basic level, as a reasonable belief both that a crime has been committed and that the person is linked to the crime with the same degree of certainty.

Probable cause forms the basic standard by which, in the US, a police officer may make an arrest, conduct a personal or property search or apply for a warrant and should be a fairly familar concept to anyone who has ever watched a US ‘Police Procedural’ show such as any of the three CSI series, ‘Law & Order’ or ‘Homicide: Life on the Streets’.

And thereby hangs the problem, as even with this treaty in place, a request from the UK for the extradition of a suspect from the US must meet the standard of ‘probable cause’, i.e. it must show both that the offence for which the individual is to be charged is a criminal offence in the US and that there is evidence to demonstrate that they have, in effect, got the right man (or woman), and arrangement that is not reciprocated under the treaty in the case of extraditions from the UK to the US, where there is no requirement on the US authorities to put evidence to UK court sufficient to establish probable cause.

There is, in this, a clear lack of equity and reciprocity in the process; one that until recently was even more marked by the failure of the US Senate to ratify the treaty (it did so only on 30 September this year, three years after it was signed by both governments)…

… and the reason the US held of on ratification for so long? Concern for the basic constitutional rights of its citizens, no less, something about which the Home Office have shown little or no concern on this side of the arrangement.

2. During the passage of the Extradition Bill David Cameron said:
 
Mr. David Cameron (Witney): As the Minister is aware, many important extraditions have not gone ahead because of the courts’ interpretation of article 3 of the European convention on human rights. Is he aware of the Soering judgment, in which someone accused of murder could not be extradited to the United States under article 3? What will the Bill do to try to streamline such cases and make the extraditions go ahead?

David Cameron, 9 December, 2002, Hansard Column: 40

This is, indeed, true. The ruling of the European Court of Human Rights in Soering prohibits extradition from any EU country where the individual in question is charged with a capital crime, i.e. one where the death penalty could be applied.

This does not prevent extraditions to the US outright in cases of, using Cameron’s example, murder, only extraditions for crimes that carry the Federal death penalty or to individual states in which the death penalty remains on statute. Soering does not provide, therefore, to extraditions to the following states:

Alaska, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin and the District of Columbia (i.e Washington DC)

In practice, Soering does not prevent extraditions at all as all the US or an individual US state has to do is give a binding commitment that it will not seek the death penalty in a case subject to extradition, i.e. agree in advance that the maximum penalty that the state will seek to obtain is life without parole.

If the inclusion of this ‘note’ is intended to reinforce the contention that Cameron is somehow soft on crime by citing Soering in the Commons, then all it shows is that whoever put this press release together really must think newspaper editors amongst the most stupid people to be found anywhere in British society. The simple fact is that Soering, as a binding judgment of the European Court of Human Rights, is something over which neither Cameron or John Reid has any control or authority - the legal position in the UK, as in the rest of Europe, is that an individual cannot be extradited to the US to face trial for an offence that could result in the imposition of the deathy penalty, no matter who is government at any particular time.

3. In an interview with Real Business magazine, David Cameron talked tough on white collar crime:

David Cameron:  And I think a lot of business I talk to are not satisfied with the response we have in this country to white collar crime.

Question:  Will there be specific proposals for that?

DC: Yeah, get tough on it! When you see someone committing a fraud on a business and you see them then getting a few hours community service - that is not good enough.

Q: So increase penalties?

DC: Yes, if necessary, yes.

Q: An ability to fire them?

DC: Yes. As I’ve said, this important. All we’re saying is that sometimes politicians in listening to the business sector are so used to just picking up the messages about tax and bureaucracy that they don’t listen to the other things. It’s very important we listen to those things like white collar crime that is very concerning to a lot of businesses.

(David Cameron, Real Business magazine, September, 2006: www.realbusiness.co.uk/Blog.aspx)

Cameron may have ‘talked tough’ on white collar crime in this interview, but even an idiot can see that he does so in the context of the UK and the UK legal system and not with reference to the question of extradition to the US.

These are two very different matters. One is about whether the UK’s legal system treats white collar crime sufficiently seriously, the other is about whether we should extradite British citizens/residents to the US on the strength of nothing more than an allegation, a standard of ‘evidence’ insufficient to secure an extradition the other way.

4. But by voting to retain the Lords amendments on extradition in the Police and Criminal Justice Bill, David Cameron’s Conservatives are opposing important modernisation to tackle international crime, thus revealing his hypocrisy on crime. The Lords amendments which the Tories voted for today will:

o make us unable to extradite to the UK offenders in the US wanted here for modern crimes

Errm. How, exactly?

The evidentiary requirements for extradition from the US to the UK are well known and understood and have not been substantially altered by the 2003 treaty. In fact the treaty in question could not make any alterations to the core requirements on the US side of the treaty as these are defined by its constitution.

Nothing in these Lords’ amendments would appear to have any affect on such extradition requests as they apply solely and exclusively to extradtion from the UK to the US and not vice-versa.

o allow sex offenders [whose crimes were committed a few years ago but are still on the run in America ] to shelter there from justice

Again, how will adding a requirement that the US authorities show probably cause, an evidentiary standard with which they are entirely familiar as it forms a fundamental pillar of thier own criminal justice system, affect the ability of the UK to seek the extradition of sex offenders from the US?

What have sex ofenders got to do with this issue in the first place, other than as a blatant and transparent appeal to the screamsheets (The Sun, Daily and Express) to splash ‘Cameron blocks Paedo Extraditions’ headlines across tomorrow’s front pages.

o block us from adding charges to someone already extradited, even if we had strong evidence

And again, how do any of these amendments give rise to that precise effect?

You’re making claims here without a single shred of evidence to back them up, not even in your explaination of the nature and purpose of these amendments.

o mean that there was no chance of getting American lifers to face justice for other crimes committed in the UK.

Hang on a second. Aside from the fact, yet not a single one of the amendments cited in this article has anything at all to do with extraditions from the US to the UK, you’re also now suggesting that somewhere in all this we’re wanting to be able to extradite prisoners from the US who are already serving a life sentence, which can often mean a sentence without parole, to stand trial in a UK court?

Am I missing something here or are these hypothetical prisoners not already serving a life sentence, in which case why the fuck would we be trying to extradite them in the first place?

If you want to extradite the occasional corpse from the US then be my guest, but this still has absolutely fuck all to do with any of the amendments you’re complaining about at the start of this press release.

Going back to the original list of ‘charges’ against Cameron, I can’t help but notice this one…

the third would prevent us, at any time in the future (without primary legislation) changing the evidential requirements for the US; effectively killing the new treaty.

So what you’re actually is that this treaty, which you signed three years ago and are only now seeking to pass legislation to enact parts of it,  won’t work at all if any future changes to the evidential requirements for extraditions to the US are subject to full and democratic Parliamentary scrutiny?

In short, we can’t have international treaties in Parliament insists that the little matter of parliamentary democracy gets in the way?

I think you know exactly what’s coming next… you can fuck that idea for a game of international relations right from the outset.

Looks, as party member, there is nothing I enjoy quite so much as good old dig at the Tories but if and when I do that I do have one little requirement that I like to adhere to…

…that whatever it is I’m having a dig over has at least some semblance of a basis in fucking reality.

Call me picky, but I do have some standards one of which is that I try to base my arguments on logic, rational thought and the occasional solid fact - its what I tend to think of as having a little ‘personal integrity’.

Even as a Labour Party member I cannot advance the arguments put forward here, not when its patently obvious that they amount to nothing more nor less than a pile of steaming horse-shit and, to be entirely clear on this, I find that to be a complete and utter fucking embarrassment.

I am, the last time I looked, still a member of the Labour Party and not a member of the Daily fucking Express and whether you like it or not, I have certain standards and values that do matter to me, not least of which are honest and integrity, and I neither appreciate nor enjoy seeing my own party slopping around in the political gutter with press releases that are patently and obviously a work of complete and utter fiction.

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