Comments on: Tory Council Leader Runs Vote Phishing Scam? http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/ Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:07:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: ray http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-11313 ray Mon, 07 May 2007 11:40:59 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-11313 Well said Steve. If you lie a run down main street and boarded up shop fronts, then come to sunny Dartford. By forcing out all the local businesses, there is even less reason to visit the town. Naively the council thought that Bluewater would help to regenerate Dartford - yeah, I know. Street cleaning - doesn't really happen anymore. the it around the Orchard theatre and shopping centre gets a quick once over, as does Lowfield Street, the rest of Dartford doesn't. Frankly, the council is working harder and harder to just make the town suck. And that's why my family and I are planning to move out. Well said Steve. If you lie a run down main street and boarded up shop fronts, then come to sunny Dartford. By forcing out all the local businesses, there is even less reason to visit the town. Naively the council thought that Bluewater would help to regenerate Dartford - yeah, I know.

Street cleaning - doesn’t really happen anymore. the it around the Orchard theatre and shopping centre gets a quick once over, as does Lowfield Street, the rest of Dartford doesn’t.

Frankly, the council is working harder and harder to just make the town suck. And that’s why my family and I are planning to move out.

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By: Steve http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-11195 Steve Fri, 04 May 2007 13:38:39 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-11195 Before you convice yourself that Jeremy is a great bloke you should know that his council he has wasted £millions on a football stadium that is of no benefit to the vast majority of people in the borough, decimated the town centre through a poorly thought-out redevelopment plan and now claims credit for NOT putting a road through the park when it was his party's idea to do it in the first place!! Now he wants to allow Tesco to build a massive store in the town centre, ruining the small businesses. p.s. he insists on putting his face and name to everything associated with the council. Some ego!! Steve Before you convice yourself that Jeremy is a great bloke you should know that his council he has wasted £millions on a football stadium that is of no benefit to the vast majority of people in the borough, decimated the town centre through a poorly thought-out redevelopment plan and now claims credit for NOT putting a road through the park when it was his party’s idea to do it in the first place!! Now he wants to allow Tesco to build a massive store in the town centre, ruining the small businesses.

p.s. he insists on putting his face and name to everything associated with the council. Some ego!!

Steve

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By: Unity http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10968 Unity Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:58:38 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10968 Mike, you may wish to read my follow up post on this, which amongst other things explains something of the difficult this story has generated due to the conflicting accounts given by Jeremy and the Evening Standard. Just hit the home page and you'll find it. Mike, you may wish to read my follow up post on this, which amongst other things explains something of the difficult this story has generated due to the conflicting accounts given by Jeremy and the Evening Standard.

Just hit the home page and you’ll find it.

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By: mike http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10966 mike Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:07:59 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10966 That's the trouble with you politico types you always look for the bad in folk.I am a Labour voter but loath the crew that has been in charge for the last ten years,every bleedin' one of them.I think this guy (Tory Chappie) took the time to post, and unlike our man (Labour Fellow) came across as o.k. by me.I may now change my mind and vote Tory, and then again I may not.See what the lads in the pub think,couple of jars of the "amber nectar" and we are liable to be the swing vote you lot talk about. That’s the trouble with you politico types you always look for the bad in folk.I am a Labour voter but loath the crew that has been in charge for the last ten years,every bleedin’ one of them.I think this guy (Tory Chappie) took the time to post, and unlike our man (Labour Fellow) came across as o.k. by me.I may now change my mind and vote Tory, and then again I may not.See what the lads in the pub think,couple of jars of the “amber nectar” and we are liable to be the swing vote you lot talk about.

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By: Tom Watson MP » Blog Archive » Why got to all that trouble? http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10956 Tom Watson MP » Blog Archive » Why got to all that trouble? Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:09:32 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10956 [...] found this Ministry of Truth story hilarious. Councillor Jeremy Kite, the Tory leader of Dartford council sets up a website to capture electors voting intentions. [...] […] found this Ministry of Truth story hilarious. Councillor Jeremy Kite, the Tory leader of Dartford council sets up a website to capture electors voting intentions. […]

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By: Dave http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10942 Dave Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:43:53 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10942 "over-excited Labour lad" - how sexist! If this guy - and I agree he seems to be a decent fellow - really intended this to be a deterrent to all canvassers, did he contact the other parties before setting up the website? I suspect the truth is this was a bit of electoral innovation that wasn't properly thought out - but I'm sure we'll see the web used more and more for direct voter communications. Maybe if parties are more upfront about it it will avoid the impression that people are being duped - which is the definitely the case here. “over-excited Labour lad” - how sexist!

If this guy - and I agree he seems to be a decent fellow - really intended this to be a deterrent to all canvassers, did he contact the other parties before setting up the website?

I suspect the truth is this was a bit of electoral innovation that wasn’t properly thought out - but I’m sure we’ll see the web used more and more for direct voter communications.

Maybe if parties are more upfront about it it will avoid the impression that people are being duped - which is the definitely the case here.

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By: Jeremy Kite http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10928 Jeremy Kite Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:38:41 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10928 I have a soft spot for Hazel too actually although I think she's leapt on the bandwagon of this story a little too quickly since she clearly didn't research the background. I do worry that she's a little over eager to appear youthful and 'with it' on occasion - leading to one embarrassing stunt to far on occasion perhaps - which a woman of her intellect really doesn't need to do but yes, I think she's a pretty straight sort of person .... although of course, as we know, Toneee is 'pretty straight sort of guy." (source T.Blair himself) J I have a soft spot for Hazel too actually although I think she’s leapt on the bandwagon of this story a little too quickly since she clearly didn’t research the background.

I do worry that she’s a little over eager to appear youthful and ‘with it’ on occasion - leading to one embarrassing stunt to far on occasion perhaps - which a woman of her intellect really doesn’t need to do but yes, I think she’s a pretty straight sort of person …. although of course, as we know, Toneee is ‘pretty straight sort of guy.” (source T.Blair himself)

J

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By: mike http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10927 mike Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:58:36 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10927 Well as I said in my only ever other posting here I like Hazel.I also think this chappie seems a pretty decent kind of a bloke.When we of the proper Labour party get rid of Tone and his odious crew all will be well again,you'll see.Tell Hazel to dis Blair on the doorstep and I may move into your area and cast a vote or two or maybe more! Liked the "nice blog bit" at the end Jeremy good move,do you think they bought it ? Well as I said in my only ever other posting here I like Hazel.I also think this chappie seems a pretty decent kind of a bloke.When we of the proper Labour party get rid of Tone and his odious crew all will be well again,you’ll see.Tell Hazel to dis Blair on the doorstep and I may move into your area and cast a vote or two or maybe more! Liked the “nice blog bit” at the end Jeremy good move,do you think they bought it ?

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By: Jeremy Kite http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10896 Jeremy Kite Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:31:22 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10896 Incidentally, nice blog. Incidentally, nice blog.

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By: Jeremy Kite http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10895 Jeremy Kite Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:28:10 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10895 Hi there. Hope you don't mind me contributing to your blog. I’m Jeremy Kite, the guy in the story. I must be the world's first 'phisher' ever to use their real name and address to register their website and attach their photograph, home phone number and email address to the document at the centre of the so-called ‘con’!!! If there are dirty tricks here, I honestly don't think they're ours. I suspect we're dealing with an over-excited Labour lad who's doing nothing all day except firing off half-baked news stories. But I'm happy to let you judge. Here goes... What we tried to do is reflect the fact that whilst some people like to see political types turn up on their doorstep three times a night and have a good old discussion about politics, there are some who just find it a real pain in the derriere to be disturbed just as they're sitting down for tea or Eastenders. During the last election, I actually saw THREE separate parties canvassing the same street at once, knocking on the same doors just a couple of minutes apart. Have a pop at me if you like but I'm just trying to make things a bit more dignified for people who may not be as worked up about local elections as we are. So, we set up a website, entirely openly, that lets people tell us they'd prefer that political canvassers didn't disturb them. The website looks professional, not because we’ve modeled it on anything, but because I like good looking website. It’s got three pages. It asks people to register and write three digits on the back page of our (very blue coloured) CONSERVATIVE manifesto which then turns into a DO NOT DISTURB notice which they display in their window. The only reason we ask residents to register and write the 3 digits is solely to stop us confusing genuine requests not to call with manifestos that have just been idly discarded in windows or visible in porches. We're not using, storing, processing or manipulating the data in any improper way. It arrives as an email and we make a note of the voting intention. That's it. As Tim Worstall says, it's EXACTLY what every party does when their on the doorstep. We don't send emails, clever little tailored messages, texts or anything. Strange as it may seem, we just leave people alone. As Hamer quite rightly says, the issue is whether we've been open about what we've done. Well, here's the facts (missing from the Standard's story, natch) ... 1) the ONE and ONLY place we promoted the service was on ONE WHOLE PAGE of our 12page Conservative manifesto that - as you might expect from a manifesto - is plastered with Conservative logos. The DO NOT DISTURB notice voters display is actually the back page of our manifesto. I actually think it's virtually impossible for ANYBODY (except Hazel Blears by the sound of it) to reach a conclusion that it was anything other than a Conservative initiative. We haven't promoted the website in any way, other than in our huge, bright Tory blue manifesto. Honestly, it just defies belief to say we've set out to con anyone. 2) The FRONT PAGE of the website contains just TWO prominent links. One takes you to REGISTER, the other takes you to 'IMPRINT'. The page it takes you to has no other content but the following words in normal sized type (none of your .5 point, grey on black!) in the middle of the page which says "Promoted by Keith Ferrin on behalf of Dartford Conservative Candidates, all at ....(then the Dartford Tory address) As for Data Protection, well I'm told we are a registered data keeper in relation to our normal work as a local Conservative Association. We've not gathered any information that we don't already store. Like every other party we have a electoral roll system that stores Voting intentions gathered from canvassiong (doorstep or online) We took the site down because, quite frankly, if Labour and the other parties aren't going to take any notice of the request to leave people alone, there aint much point to it. Now, I know a blog like yours owes no favours to a minor local politician but I do hope there's a streak of fairness in there!! We're just trying to use a basic bit of technology to give voters (who want it) a bit of peace and quiet during a big, closely fought election. We've done nothing more than any elector could do by scrawling 'leave me alone' on a bit of A5 and putting it in their window. No deceit, no con,just quite a bright idea actually. Sorry for the long blog Jeremy Kite Hi there. Hope you don’t mind me contributing to your blog. I’m Jeremy Kite, the guy in the story.

I must be the world’s first ‘phisher’ ever to use their real name and address to register their website and attach their photograph, home phone number and email address to the document at the centre of the so-called ‘con’!!!

If there are dirty tricks here, I honestly don’t think they’re ours. I suspect we’re dealing with an over-excited Labour lad who’s doing nothing all day except firing off half-baked news stories.

But I’m happy to let you judge. Here goes…

What we tried to do is reflect the fact that whilst some people like to see political types turn up on their doorstep three times a night and have a good old discussion about politics, there are some who just find it a real pain in the derriere to be disturbed just as they’re sitting down for tea or Eastenders. During the last election, I actually saw THREE separate parties canvassing the same street at once, knocking on the same doors just a couple of minutes apart. Have a pop at me if you like but I’m just trying to make things a bit more dignified for people who may not be as worked up about local elections as we are.

So, we set up a website, entirely openly, that lets people tell us they’d prefer that political canvassers didn’t disturb them. The website looks professional, not because we’ve modeled it on anything, but because I like good looking website. It’s got three pages.
It asks people to register and write three digits on the back page of our (very blue coloured) CONSERVATIVE manifesto which then turns into a DO NOT DISTURB notice which they display in their window. The only reason we ask residents to register and write the 3 digits is solely to stop us confusing genuine requests not to call with manifestos that have just been idly discarded in windows or visible in porches.

We’re not using, storing, processing or manipulating the data in any improper way. It arrives as an email and we make a note of the voting intention. That’s it. As Tim Worstall says, it’s EXACTLY what every party does when their on the doorstep. We don’t send emails, clever little tailored messages, texts or anything. Strange as it may seem, we just leave people alone.

As Hamer quite rightly says, the issue is whether we’ve been open about what we’ve done. Well, here’s the facts (missing from the Standard’s story, natch) …

1) the ONE and ONLY place we promoted the service was on ONE WHOLE PAGE of our 12page Conservative manifesto that - as you might expect from a manifesto - is plastered with Conservative logos. The DO NOT DISTURB notice voters display is actually the back page of our manifesto. I actually think it’s virtually impossible for ANYBODY (except Hazel Blears by the sound of it) to reach a conclusion that it was anything other than a Conservative initiative. We haven’t promoted the website in any way, other than in our huge, bright Tory blue manifesto. Honestly, it just defies belief to say we’ve set out to con anyone.

2) The FRONT PAGE of the website contains just TWO prominent links. One takes you to REGISTER, the other takes you to ‘IMPRINT’. The page it takes you to has no other content but the following words in normal sized type (none of your .5 point, grey on black!) in the middle of the page which says “Promoted by Keith Ferrin on behalf of Dartford Conservative Candidates, all at ….(then the Dartford Tory address)

As for Data Protection, well I’m told we are a registered data keeper in relation to our normal work as a local Conservative Association. We’ve not gathered any information that we don’t already store. Like every other party we have a electoral roll system that stores Voting intentions gathered from canvassiong (doorstep or online)

We took the site down because, quite frankly, if Labour and the other parties aren’t going to take any notice of the request to leave people alone, there aint much point to it.

Now, I know a blog like yours owes no favours to a minor local politician but I do hope there’s a streak of fairness in there!!

We’re just trying to use a basic bit of technology to give voters (who want it) a bit of peace and quiet during a big, closely fought election. We’ve done nothing more than any elector could do by scrawling ‘leave me alone’ on a bit of A5 and putting it in their window. No deceit, no con,just quite a bright idea actually.

Sorry for the long blog

Jeremy Kite

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By: mike http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10870 mike Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:54:42 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10870 She's no mug is our Hazel I like her.This is my first visit to a posh blog like this,more used to the rough and tumble at Guidos' proper and Iains' of course.I wiped me feet before I knocked though Sir. She’s no mug is our Hazel I like her.This is my first visit to a posh blog like this,more used to the rough and tumble at Guidos’ proper and Iains’ of course.I wiped me feet before I knocked though Sir.

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By: Hamer http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10867 Hamer Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:04:19 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10867 There's nothing wrong with that, Tim, but we find that it's probably best to be up front as to who you are. Also, doesn't it fall foul of the DPA if one gathers personal information via dodgy means? (Ah, yes. I'll read the post properly next time) There’s nothing wrong with that, Tim, but we find that it’s probably best to be up front as to who you are.

Also, doesn’t it fall foul of the DPA if one gathers personal information via dodgy means?

(Ah, yes. I’ll read the post properly next time)

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By: Tim Worstall http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10863 Tim Worstall Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:29:35 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10863 <strong>Election Skullduggery...</strong> Someone help me out here. What's the problem with asking someone how they're going to vote? Don't opinion pollsters do that all the time?... Election Skullduggery…

Someone help me out here. What’s the problem with asking someone how they’re going to vote? Don’t opinion pollsters do that all the time?…

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By: Hawthorne http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10858 Hawthorne Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:29:09 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/04/27/tory-council-leader-runs-vote-phishing-scam/#comment-10858 If that is true. Caught hook, line and sinker. Love it when either of the two parties get caught out. Sounds like typical parish-pump politics. If that is true. Caught hook, line and sinker. Love it when either of the two parties get caught out. Sounds like typical parish-pump politics.

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