Comments on: Cheats never prosper…

By: Bloggerheads

Bloggerheads — Tue, 01 May 2007 15:51:29 +0000

This is a first… ‘bloggers’ objecting to deeplinks…

Over the past few months (see this category page if you’re new here) I’ve made a number of claims about ‘lead bloggers’ Iain Dale and Paul Staines here at Bloggerheads, at Guido 2.0 and, more recently, at Iain Dale’s Dairy…….

By: davblog

davblog — Tue, 01 May 2007 16:24:20 +0000

No Linking Allowed…

The clue to the usefulness of the world wide web is in its name. It’s a web. You click on……

By: Hawthorne

Hawthorne — Tue, 01 May 2007 16:47:00 +0000

How entertaining, a ‘Libertarian’ objecting to free-speech (or at least free linking). I just want to check, so Paul is allowed to make up rumour, conjecture and innuendo against political figures without needing to back it up with fact, and yet he doesn’t allow certain people to call him on mistakes. Do I smell just a teeny whiff of hypocrisy?

By: el Tom

el Tom — Tue, 01 May 2007 17:15:09 +0000

Could you not just use ‘anonym to’ for your links?

By: poons

poons — Tue, 01 May 2007 17:27:30 +0000

A solution for IE users.

http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=614

In the IE option section you can toggle javascript - just installed it - works a treat.

By: Toby

Toby — Tue, 01 May 2007 17:51:51 +0000

And of course, for those of us that read bloggerheads / uktoday from an aggregator (like bloglines), it makes no difference anyway…

By: Fred

Fred — Tue, 01 May 2007 20:02:04 +0000

Another way of stopping Javascript, and all sorts of other nasty “active scripting” is to install “No Script” on your Firefox browser. Goto http://noscript.net/ for a copy.

It even lets you choose which site’s scripts to allow, where the page call scripts from all over the place. Of course one should leave them routinely turned off, and only turn them on for specific features when necessary. Cuts down on the ads, too.

By: Dan Goodman

Dan Goodman — Tue, 01 May 2007 21:47:07 +0000

A simpler solution:

Right click on the link, choose “copy link location” or whatever the IE equivalent is, open a new tab (or window in IE) and paste the link into the address bar.

By: Tim Ireland

Tim Ireland — Tue, 01 May 2007 22:54:30 +0000

I’ve just said this at Bloggerheads and I’ll repeat it here:

Re: ‘workaround’ comments/input (here and elsewhere)… I don’t want to go there, and I shouldn’t have to go there. That’s kind of the whole point.

By: Unity

Unity — Tue, 01 May 2007 22:59:45 +0000

Fair enough Tim, although the point in flagging up workarounds in this case is to point out precisely what a futile and childish exercise this all is on the part of Dizzy, Dale and Staines.

By: Tim Ireland

Tim Ireland — Tue, 01 May 2007 23:22:19 +0000

That point is taken. And now that’s been said and said so well…

I’m especially amused that:

a) Dale and Staines went for this in the first place (thereby proving a lot of what I’ve been saying).

b) Knowing that that were willing to do this, that they didn’t have the brains to think of this themselves.

c) Staines visibly followed Dizzy on the Page3.com stunt, thereby proving that he didn’t have the wit to think of that himself.

d) They didn’t opt for (c) sooner… as they may have got away with this on the basis that it was ‘funny’ and not a clumsy attempt to censor undesirable input. They pissed way a lot of potential for misdirection there.

Not only twats, but amateur ones at that… which I would hope reinforces your point without straying from mine.

By: dizzy

dizzy — Wed, 02 May 2007 05:13:13 +0000

Hahahaha professional wind up merchant actually. It wasn’t a failure, it was a roaring success. It sos stupidly easy to circumvent the script as Unity says that you ought to realise you got suckered again Lassie. I did say it would happen again after all. Until the next time!

By: Unity

Unity — Wed, 02 May 2007 06:48:20 +0000

Dizzy:

It’s just a pity you didn’t let Iain in on the joke, as his efforts to defend himself on this when he was called on it have little short of cringeworthy:

Scott Matthewman said…

So one referrer manages to reach no. 8 in your list, even though all clicks come from a single source (as Laurence’s comment suggests).

And yet Bloggerheads, which was at no. 6 in your similar chart a month ago, has disappeared completely.

You’re not being honest at all, are you?

And does it have anything to do with the fact that you’re (badly) attempting to ruin the user experience of visitors to your site if they’ve come from a site you don’t happen to agree with — regardless of whether or not they would agree with the opinions voiced on that site? (this paragraph includes a link to Tim’s piece about this script)

If you want to portray yourself as a professional blogger, I would have thought a degree of professionalism would be in order. Acts such as wilfully distorting your chart figures and preventing people from linking to specific blog entries are highly unbecoming.

Iain Dale said…

Scott, I have made no secret of the fact that since the March figures I have banned Tim Ireland from my site. That includes links to him. Simple as that. If you have followed what he has said about me you wouldn’t be at all surprised. I make no apology for it. I’m simply not having him polluting this blog with his poison. He has plenty of his own sites to do that on.

It’s nothing to do with not agreeing with him. It’s about abuse. Watch him. He will now use this comment to write another poisonous post. See if I’m not right.

Oops.

By: Tim Ireland

Tim Ireland — Wed, 02 May 2007 06:54:08 +0000

At the risk of repeating myself…

PS - Dizzy, we have already been through this… screaming “I meant to do that!” does not undo an own goal:
http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2007/03/what_dizzy_thinks.asp#comments
http://www.bloggerheads.com/guido_fawkes/2007/03/major-victory-for-guido-20-war-is.html#comments

By: Orinoco

Orinoco — Wed, 02 May 2007 11:25:10 +0000

Opera users: F12 uncheck Enable javascript or uncheck Enable referrer logging