Comments on: Blook http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/ Please allow me to Introduce myself, I\'m a man of wealth and taste... Sun, 27 May 2007 20:10:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Eli James http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11496 Eli James Wed, 09 May 2007 15:45:50 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11496 Oh dear. I should've read this article earlier so I can quote it. May I ask (the comments are making me laugh so hard), what is so hated about Nick Cohen? He must've done something <em>really</em> bad to deserve such concentrated flogging. I enjoyed this post, opinions notwithstanding. Well thought out, well written. Oh dear. I should’ve read this article earlier so I can quote it.

May I ask (the comments are making me laugh so hard), what is so hated about Nick Cohen? He must’ve done something really bad to deserve such concentrated flogging.

I enjoyed this post, opinions notwithstanding. Well thought out, well written.

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By: Arguments On Lulu (Sigh) http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11497 Arguments On Lulu (Sigh) Wed, 09 May 2007 15:52:31 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11497 [...] I can’t not link to this article. It is [...] […] I can’t not link to this article. It is […]

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By: redpesto http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11498 redpesto Wed, 09 May 2007 15:53:25 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11498 Unity, your post is another confirmation of qwhy I gave up reading Cohen ages ago: I saw the rot setting in over Iraq, and everything I've come across since supports his long withdrawing roar to armchair conservatism of the worst kind. "The medium’s unlimited space allows millions to drone on in blogs that no one but their friends will read, but the same lack of constraint allows professors to bring their knowledge to a general audience without adhering to the stultifying styles of academia." You know where that's heading: It's Nick standing up for the Little Guy in a sea of Postmodern Political Correctness Gone Mad (Mad, I Tell You!) In other words, it's the same crap that Iain Dumbo Smith peddled, and is currently demonstrated by Dale, Staines and the rest of the right-wing cybermob. Oh, and Cohen obviously hasn't read anything on the Iraq war like Jarhead (and clearly has steered clear of Riverbend's blog...I wonder why). Unity, your post is another confirmation of qwhy I gave up reading Cohen ages ago: I saw the rot setting in over Iraq, and everything I’ve come across since supports his long withdrawing roar to armchair conservatism of the worst kind.

“The medium’s unlimited space allows millions to drone on in blogs that no one but their friends will read, but the same lack of constraint allows professors to bring their knowledge to a general audience without adhering to the stultifying styles of academia.”

You know where that’s heading: It’s Nick standing up for the Little Guy in a sea of Postmodern Political Correctness Gone Mad (Mad, I Tell You!) In other words, it’s the same crap that Iain Dumbo Smith peddled, and is currently demonstrated by Dale, Staines and the rest of the right-wing cybermob. Oh, and Cohen obviously hasn’t read anything on the Iraq war like Jarhead (and clearly has steered clear of Riverbend’s blog…I wonder why).

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By: Devil's Kitchen http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11500 Devil's Kitchen Wed, 09 May 2007 17:17:05 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11500 Great post, Unity. Far more eloquent (and loquatious) than my own humble offering, I fear. DK Great post, Unity. Far more eloquent (and loquatious) than my own humble offering, I fear.

DK

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By: Leo http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11508 Leo Wed, 09 May 2007 21:39:36 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11508 Cohen's notion that somehow the mainstream publishing industry acts as a kind of quality control is a total fallacy. He seems to be under the illusion that, were it up to individuals, any old trash would be able to be printed. In reality, when you look at the biggest-selling non-Harry-Potter book of recent times - the Da Vinci Code - it hits you like a freight train that in reality, the publishing industry is being pressured by the forces of the market to appeal to the lowest common denominator - that's what sells. The people who can't muster the capital costs to get printed are more likely to be academics or those dealing in niche subjects which the general public don't have any interest in. The advent of the blook, despite its ghastly name, is a thing to be welcomed, therefore. I can only hope that a similar thing will happen with the music industry before long - too many superb bands struggle to meet the capital costs of recording and distribution because their music isn't necessarily going to be the next No. 1 hit. What we seem to be seeing is a kind of cultural fragmentation, where instead of a monoculture encompassing a nation, there are now several distinct and separate ones which coexist simultaneously. The blook is just the latest catalyst to that, along with blogging. Isaiah Berlin's "value-pluralism" is coming into being before our very own eyes in a way which i think few had previously anticipated. The greatest political challenge of the coming decades will surely therefore be how we reconcile these different cultures so that they are able to coexist without agitation, or the kind of "culture-wars" we see in the USA at the moment. Cohen’s notion that somehow the mainstream publishing industry acts as a kind of quality control is a total fallacy. He seems to be under the illusion that, were it up to individuals, any old trash would be able to be printed.

In reality, when you look at the biggest-selling non-Harry-Potter book of recent times - the Da Vinci Code - it hits you like a freight train that in reality, the publishing industry is being pressured by the forces of the market to appeal to the lowest common denominator - that’s what sells.

The people who can’t muster the capital costs to get printed are more likely to be academics or those dealing in niche subjects which the general public don’t have any interest in. The advent of the blook, despite its ghastly name, is a thing to be welcomed, therefore.

I can only hope that a similar thing will happen with the music industry before long - too many superb bands struggle to meet the capital costs of recording and distribution because their music isn’t necessarily going to be the next No. 1 hit.

What we seem to be seeing is a kind of cultural fragmentation, where instead of a monoculture encompassing a nation, there are now several distinct and separate ones which coexist simultaneously. The blook is just the latest catalyst to that, along with blogging.

Isaiah Berlin’s “value-pluralism” is coming into being before our very own eyes in a way which i think few had previously anticipated. The greatest political challenge of the coming decades will surely therefore be how we reconcile these different cultures so that they are able to coexist without agitation, or the kind of “culture-wars” we see in the USA at the moment.

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By: Paul Jacobson http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11544 Paul Jacobson Thu, 10 May 2007 08:34:26 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11544 We have just had a similar debate here in South Africa about a columnist of a local paper who called bloggers a bunch of air head sociopaths. His column sparked off an intense debate and preoccupied local bloggers for about 2 days. It seems that bloggers still have a bit of a way to go before they are regarded as legitimate writers on the Web. If anyone is interested in the Bullard debate, I blogged about it on my blog. You can also find out more at http://del.icio.us/tag/davidbullard We have just had a similar debate here in South Africa about a columnist of a local paper who called bloggers a bunch of air head sociopaths. His column sparked off an intense debate and preoccupied local bloggers for about 2 days. It seems that bloggers still have a bit of a way to go before they are regarded as legitimate writers on the Web.

If anyone is interested in the Bullard debate, I blogged about it on my blog. You can also find out more at http://del.icio.us/tag/davidbullard

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By: Eli James http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11563 Eli James Thu, 10 May 2007 15:39:12 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11563 Leo, the publishing industry is effective for weeding out badly written content. Not so, perhaps, for ideas - they tend to ignore 'long tail' ones. But saying that there is a good noise to signal ratio in the blogosphere (non-edited media) is absurd. We're producing hundreds of articles every second, and most of it can't be read. Which can't be said for newspapers - at least everything written there is understandable. Try, for instance ... this <a href="http://omenofchaos.blogspot.com/2006/10/chapter-i-first-day.html" rel="nofollow">blook</a>. Leo, the publishing industry is effective for weeding out badly written content.

Not so, perhaps, for ideas - they tend to ignore ‘long tail’ ones.

But saying that there is a good noise to signal ratio in the blogosphere (non-edited media) is absurd. We’re producing hundreds of articles every second, and most of it can’t be read. Which can’t be said for newspapers - at least everything written there is understandable.

Try, for instance … this blook.

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By: Longrider » Cohen Joins Kamm http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11567 Longrider » Cohen Joins Kamm Thu, 10 May 2007 17:56:06 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11567 [...] notice via the Devil’s kitchen and the Ministry of Truth, that Nick Cohen is to be added to the list of fatuous newspaper columnists who regards bloggers as [...] […] notice via the Devil’s kitchen and the Ministry of Truth, that Nick Cohen is to be added to the list of fatuous newspaper columnists who regards bloggers as […]

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By: Finnieston Crane http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11685 Finnieston Crane Fri, 11 May 2007 23:18:59 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11685 Er... I read the main thrust of this over at Bloggers4Labour... My thoughts are reproduced thus: I'm inclined to agree broadly. I've heard it said in the past that the best commentators stick to one area of interest, i.e., Polly Toynbee and social justice. However, I don't think it holds true. George Monbiot is ostensibly a 'Green' campaigner but writes on all sorts. Oddly, I've always wanted to be a journalist but recognise that people such as those mentioned simply take a stance and run with it. They are utterly unaccountable. Which makes me wonder if people like Richard Littlejohn truly believe what they write or whether they do it just to remain in a job. Er… I read the main thrust of this over at Bloggers4Labour…

My thoughts are reproduced thus:

I’m inclined to agree broadly. I’ve heard it said in the past that the best commentators stick to one area of interest, i.e., Polly Toynbee and social justice. However, I don’t think it holds true. George Monbiot is ostensibly a ‘Green’ campaigner but writes on all sorts. Oddly, I’ve always wanted to be a journalist but recognise that people such as those mentioned simply take a stance and run with it. They are utterly unaccountable. Which makes me wonder if people like Richard Littlejohn truly believe what they write or whether they do it just to remain in a job.

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By: B's Freak http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11739 B's Freak Sat, 12 May 2007 14:54:52 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/05/09/blook/#comment-11739 It appears that Mr Cohen's main issue is with seeing Sturgeon's Revelation in practice. That and the fact that he's an elitist shit. What I find interesting is that these arguments are made by comparing the whole blogosphere with newspapers only. Blogs should be viewed against the entire spectrum of printed media from news magazines to tabloids to political pamphlets to vanity press books. To take one small segment of print media and compare it to the vast range of offerings included under the umbrella term "blogs" is the kind of intellectually dishonest cherry picking one would expect from Toynbee or Krugman. It appears that Mr Cohen’s main issue is with seeing Sturgeon’s Revelation in practice. That and the fact that he’s an elitist shit. What I find interesting is that these arguments are made by comparing the whole blogosphere with newspapers only. Blogs should be viewed against the entire spectrum of printed media from news magazines to tabloids to political pamphlets to vanity press books. To take one small segment of print media and compare it to the vast range of offerings included under the umbrella term “blogs” is the kind of intellectually dishonest cherry picking one would expect from Toynbee or Krugman.

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