Comments on: Silver Bling Thing http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/ Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:39:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Cal http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21946 Cal Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:39:03 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21946 This is about the most smug piece of crap that I have read. You guys really think that after forty years of liberal progressivism you still represent some kind of “rebellious” “alternative” (and, of course superior) point of view. Hello! YOU are the new orthodoxy; rebellion is opposing or defying the opinions YOU represent! Your whole rant is just a lame exercise in guilt by association, noteworthy for the paucity of guilt and the tenuousness of the association. This kids parents run the franchise for the SRT, the SRT is a profit making enterprise, so fucking what? So is Greenpeace! Has anyone checked Bob Geldof’s bank account lately? Aside from that you have one lame lingerie shot! If you guys want to strut your contempt for religiously imposed restrictions on personal freedom why don’t you sharpen your intellectual pencils and take aim at Islam? Because that would make you “Islamophobic” wouldn’t it? And Islamophobia is a violation of your rigid anally retentive liberal code! Your whole smarmy diatribe signally fails to address the central issue; will the encouragement of unrestrained and age ambivalent sexual freedom lead to a better society full of more healthy and well adjusted people, or will it have the same affect on mental health that unrestricted access to cheap food has had on physical health? Junk food is enjoyable, but a diet of junk food is bad, it is highly probable that junk behaviour has the same trajectory and final destination. One final point, you say that 80% of SRT subscribers end up having sex well before marriage, one point that you seem to have failed to consider is that breaking this taboo probably made their first sexual encounters incomparably more exciting than were/are the casual indiscriminate encounters of their peers, so who really got the best deal? As Tom Sawyer noted, to make a thing desirable, you have to make it hard to get! This is about the most smug piece of crap that I have read. You guys really think that after forty years of liberal progressivism you still represent some kind of “rebellious” “alternative” (and, of course superior) point of view. Hello! YOU are the new orthodoxy; rebellion is opposing or defying the opinions YOU represent!

Your whole rant is just a lame exercise in guilt by association, noteworthy for the paucity of guilt and the tenuousness of the association.

This kids parents run the franchise for the SRT, the SRT is a profit making enterprise, so fucking what? So is Greenpeace! Has anyone checked Bob Geldof’s bank account lately? Aside from that you have one lame lingerie shot!

If you guys want to strut your contempt for religiously imposed restrictions on personal freedom why don’t you sharpen your intellectual pencils and take aim at Islam? Because that would make you “Islamophobic” wouldn’t it? And Islamophobia is a violation of your rigid anally retentive liberal code!

Your whole smarmy diatribe signally fails to address the central issue; will the encouragement of unrestrained and age ambivalent sexual freedom lead to a better society full of more healthy and well adjusted people, or will it have the same affect on mental health that unrestricted access to cheap food has had on physical health?

Junk food is enjoyable, but a diet of junk food is bad, it is highly probable that junk behaviour has the same trajectory and final destination.

One final point, you say that 80% of SRT subscribers end up having sex well before marriage, one point that you seem to have failed to consider is that breaking this taboo probably made their first sexual encounters incomparably more exciting than were/are the casual indiscriminate encounters of their peers, so who really got the best deal?

As Tom Sawyer noted, to make a thing desirable, you have to make it hard to get!

]]>
By: Speaker of Truth » Silver Rings and Dishonesty http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21936 Speaker of Truth » Silver Rings and Dishonesty Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:25:30 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21936 [...] Lydia and her family in the aftermath of this case. They have been accused of dishonesty and of being in this for the money. Even the supposedly respectable think tank Ekklesia implies that important facts were not [...] […] Lydia and her family in the aftermath of this case. They have been accused of dishonesty and of being in this for the money. Even the supposedly respectable think tank Ekklesia implies that important facts were not […]

]]>
By: benjamin http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21933 benjamin Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:16:02 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21933 Brilliant, thank you very much for sharing all of this. Brilliant, thank you very much for sharing all of this.

]]>
By: pentameter http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21771 pentameter Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:43:36 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21771 A good reason for school uniforms is to stop contests in dress which are divisive and cost parents plenty, as well as opening up questions of differences in parental income. Jewellery is a corner case, what with watches, identity bracelets and so on. As I recall, pure adornment was discouraged. Looking back, it seems like a good stance. A good reason for school uniforms is to stop contests in dress which are divisive and cost parents plenty, as well as opening up questions of differences in parental income. Jewellery is a corner case, what with watches, identity bracelets and so on.

As I recall, pure adornment was discouraged. Looking back, it seems like a good stance.

]]>
By: Silver ring thing « the Nicholas O’Kane blog http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21752 Silver ring thing « the Nicholas O’Kane blog Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:21:04 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21752 [...] the case is very complex, and it appears the school had no problems with her purity ring until the habit started to catch [...] […] the case is very complex, and it appears the school had no problems with her purity ring until the habit started to catch […]

]]>
By: Indigo Jo Blogs http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21720 Indigo Jo Blogs Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:46:10 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21720 <strong>Silver Bling Thing...</strong> Ministry of Truth » Silver Bling Thing Until I read the above blog article, I was planning to write an entry about how I supported Lydia Playfoot's campaign to be able to wear a silver ring to school, as part...... Silver Bling Thing…

Ministry of Truth » Silver Bling Thing Until I read the above blog article, I was planning to write an entry about how I supported Lydia Playfoot’s campaign to be able to wear a silver ring to school, as part……

]]>
By: Beverley Markle http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21675 Beverley Markle Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:41:51 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21675 Thanks for this background!! Now that Ms. Playfoot's argument that the rings were religious objects has been judicially rejected - as least in respect of the narrow question of school uniform rules - I'd like to know if "Silver Ring Thing (UK)Limited" still qualifies, or ever did truly qualify under English law as a 'not-for-profit company'. As I understood the "not-for-profit" designation, it's given only to outfits that have a religious or educational or "good works" purpose and can show they are carrying out that purpose. Did the company sell those rings at no profit? Even if they did, the rings have just been judicially held to be non-religious items, mere jewellery no different from that sold in stores. So, exactly what religious or educational purpose has this company fulfilled in keeping with its articles of association and its not-for-profit designation and the tax relief that flowed from that designation? Does the company continue to hold that status and receive beneficial tax treatment now and, did it deserve that tax treatment before this judgment? I don't know if a civil court decision stating that the rings are non-religious items in the context of school uniform rules can be used to show this company does not qualify for the beneficial tax status it received then or now. But if it can, I'd want to know if the company fulfilled a religious or educational purpose in some other way. For example, did it provide any education to a religious group and was that training truly religious or just moral? I also wonder if the church under which "Silver Ring Thing (IK) Ltd." ostensibly operates to sell its rings considers this company to be a vehicle for delivering its actual religious doctrine. It would bother me if the GBP 12,000 that Playfoot's parents owe in expenses to the English court system are in any way coming from the sale of items that received favourable tax treatment on the basis that the goods were religious when they are not. Thanks for this background!! Now that Ms. Playfoot’s argument that the rings were religious objects has been judicially rejected - as least in respect of the narrow question of school uniform rules - I’d like to know if “Silver Ring Thing (UK)Limited” still qualifies, or ever did truly qualify under English law as a ‘not-for-profit company’. As I understood the “not-for-profit” designation, it’s given only to outfits that have a religious or educational or “good works” purpose and can show they are carrying out that purpose.

Did the company sell those rings at no profit? Even if they did, the rings have just been judicially held to be non-religious items, mere jewellery no different from that sold in stores. So, exactly what religious or educational purpose has this company fulfilled in keeping with its articles of association and its not-for-profit designation and the tax relief that flowed from that designation? Does the company continue to hold that status and receive beneficial tax treatment now and, did it deserve that tax treatment before this judgment?

I don’t know if a civil court decision stating that the rings are non-religious items in the context of school uniform rules can be used to show this company does not qualify for the beneficial tax status it received then or now. But if it can, I’d want to know if the company fulfilled a religious or educational purpose in some other way. For example, did it provide any education to a religious group and was that training truly religious or just moral? I also wonder if the church under which “Silver Ring Thing (IK) Ltd.” ostensibly operates to sell its rings considers this company to be a vehicle for delivering its actual religious doctrine.

It would bother me if the GBP 12,000 that Playfoot’s parents owe in expenses to the English court system are in any way coming from the sale of items that received favourable tax treatment on the basis that the goods were religious when they are not.

]]>
By: Ministry of Truth » Silver Bling Thing Redux http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21595 Ministry of Truth » Silver Bling Thing Redux Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:31:06 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21595 [...] Silver Bling Thing [...] […] Silver Bling Thing […]

]]>
By: Andi http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21592 Andi Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:59:59 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21592 As this has raised its ugly and unvirtuous head again... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6900512.stm PLEASE can we have some sanity on this issue. And you are absolutely right on the reason behind uniform policy. Having just helped management at the school where I work to revamp the uniform and personal possessions policy I can assure you that the biggest concern for school staff is something getting stolen or lost and the school getting blamed. I feel very sorry for this young lady and I hope she reaches a point in her life when she can see how manipulated she has been by this 'church' and her parents. Keep up the excellent work!! How about tackling the cr*p we are sold about climate change next? As this has raised its ugly and unvirtuous head again…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6900512.stm

PLEASE can we have some sanity on this issue.

And you are absolutely right on the reason behind uniform policy. Having just helped management at the school where I work to revamp the uniform and personal possessions policy I can assure you that the biggest concern for school staff is something getting stolen or lost and the school getting blamed.

I feel very sorry for this young lady and I hope she reaches a point in her life when she can see how manipulated she has been by this ‘church’ and her parents.

Keep up the excellent work!! How about tackling the cr*p we are sold about climate change next?

]]>
By: Patricia http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21571 Patricia Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:54:49 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21571 Wonderfully interesting--what a tangle of hidden relationships! For "Christians", these people are mighty secretive and, shall we say, less than forthcoming... As an American I am, once again, embarrassed by my country's excesses. Thank you for telling us the truth. Wonderfully interesting–what a tangle of hidden relationships! For “Christians”, these people are mighty secretive and, shall we say, less than forthcoming…

As an American I am, once again, embarrassed by my country’s excesses.

Thank you for telling us the truth.

]]>
By: Dave Mania http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21013 Dave Mania Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:46:05 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-21013 Get this to Private Eye magazine. It's exactly the sort of thing they'd help to expose. Get this to Private Eye magazine. It’s exactly the sort of thing they’d help to expose.

]]>
By: Mellomeh http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20954 Mellomeh Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:41:17 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20954 Incredible stuff, when I first heard about this on the BBC I investigated it myself, but only got so far as establishing the Andy Robinson link. The fact that there was more to the story just blew my mind. Incredible stuff, when I first heard about this on the BBC I investigated it myself, but only got so far as establishing the Andy Robinson link. The fact that there was more to the story just blew my mind.

]]>
By: Widgetas http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20933 Widgetas Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:04:03 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20933 I can only aspire to writing such pieces. Jolly well done, sir. I can only aspire to writing such pieces.
Jolly well done, sir.

]]>
By: Malcolm McLean http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20832 Malcolm McLean Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:24:27 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20832 We disapprove of sex before menarche, or rather slightly after it; the age at which a viable child can result without meical complications. We also disapprove of sexual intercourse outside of marriage. However we don't advocate any other particular minimum age for marriage. Apropriate legisation wildly depending on whether you live a hunter-gatherer life in the Amazon jungle or a middle-class professional life in London. We disapprove of sex before menarche, or rather slightly after it; the age at which a viable child can result without meical complications. We also disapprove of sexual intercourse outside of marriage. However we don’t advocate any other particular minimum age for marriage. Apropriate legisation wildly depending on whether you live a hunter-gatherer life in the Amazon jungle or a middle-class professional life in London.

]]>
By: Robert Sharp http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20813 Robert Sharp Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:53:44 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20813 <strong>Religious Belief and the Age of Consent...</strong> The legal age of consent to a religion should be the same as the legal age of consent to sex. Perhaps the religionists should tell us what age that should be? ...... Religious Belief and the Age of Consent…

The legal age of consent to a religion should be the same as the legal age of consent to sex. Perhaps the religionists should tell us what age that should be?

……

]]>
By: A public scandal! - …or a public relations coup? « Dirty Bytes http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20797 A public scandal! - …or a public relations coup? « Dirty Bytes Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:07:41 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20797 [...] have taken the debate at face value, but the Ministry of Truth has gone [...] […] have taken the debate at face value, but the Ministry of Truth has gone […]

]]>
By: Proper journalism on teh interweb shock « Gary Andrews http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20555 Proper journalism on teh interweb shock « Gary Andrews Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:20:48 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20555 [...] some blogging at its very best head over to the Ministry of Truth for Unity’s comprehensive expose of the sinister folk behind the Silver Ring [...] […] some blogging at its very best head over to the Ministry of Truth for Unity’s comprehensive expose of the sinister folk behind the Silver Ring […]

]]>
By: Sotto l'ombra degli olmi http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20431 Sotto l'ombra degli olmi Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:39:04 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20431 <strong>La bella verginella (Parte due)...</strong> Evidentemente non sono il solo ad aver valutato come orientata al business la vicenda della ragazza inglese cui è stato proibito di indossare a scuola il purity ring simbolo della sua verginità. I blogger, a differenza dei giornalisti, non devono occ... La bella verginella (Parte due)…

Evidentemente non sono il solo ad aver valutato come orientata al business la vicenda della ragazza inglese cui è stato proibito di indossare a scuola il purity ring simbolo della sua verginità.
I blogger, a differenza dei giornalisti, non devono occ…

]]>
By: Mark Wadsworth http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20404 Mark Wadsworth Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:29:25 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20404 Awesome. Awesome.

]]>
By: James http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20362 James Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:18:35 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/25/silver-bling-thing/#comment-20362 I think the problem here is that Jesus didn't come to promote 'Christian values' - he came so that we might gain salavation. Jesus didn't come for people who are pure etc... he came for the sinners (prostitues, murders etc). This ring just alienates the people from Christianity who Jesus came for in the first place. Never trust anything to do with Christainity that the Americans have come up with. 9 out of 10 times it will be nonsensel. I think the problem here is that Jesus didn’t come to promote ‘Christian values’ - he came so that we might gain salavation. Jesus didn’t come for people who are pure etc… he came for the sinners (prostitues, murders etc). This ring just alienates the people from Christianity who Jesus came for in the first place.

Never trust anything to do with Christainity that the Americans have come up with. 9 out of 10 times it will be nonsensel.

]]>