Comments on: Felicity Lowde Sentenced http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/ Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:11:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Jottings http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20787 Jottings Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:05:09 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20787 <strong>Lowde And Clear ......</strong> “The offences, I would say, are at the very top end to be taken in a prosecution of harassment and therefore have to be dealt with at the top end of my powers. “You persisted in that for a considerable...... Lowde And Clear ……

“The offences, I would say, are at the very top end to be taken in a prosecution of harassment and therefore have to be dealt with at the top end of my powers. “You persisted in that for a considerable……

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By: BellaCat http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20754 BellaCat Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:59:02 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20754 I hate to rain on your parade but Ms. Lowde will probably only serve about three months of a six month sentence. It would have been better for Ms. Lowde and her victims had she been given a treatment order. This is far from a 'get out of gaol' free card. She would have been detained for an indefinite period and her release would be dependent upon a psychiatric assessment. I was attacked (physically, irl, not over the 'net) two years ago and my attacker got a suspended sentence but he was also sectioned and was in detained in hospital for longer than he would have been detained in prison. She is highly unlikely to receive the help she requires in prison. I hate to rain on your parade but Ms. Lowde will probably only serve about three months of a six month sentence. It would have been better for Ms. Lowde and her victims had she been given a treatment order. This is far from a ‘get out of gaol’ free card. She would have been detained for an indefinite period and her release would be dependent upon a psychiatric assessment. I was attacked (physically, irl, not over the ‘net) two years ago and my attacker got a suspended sentence but he was also sectioned and was in detained in hospital for longer than he would have been detained in prison.

She is highly unlikely to receive the help she requires in prison.

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By: gracchi http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20740 gracchi Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:45:58 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20740 I'd be very surprised if what FJL says about Oxford is true either- I'm a PhD student at Cambridge and as far as I am aware you can't be a researcher at either Cambridge or Oxford- you are either a PhD student, a research fellow, a postdoctoral fellow or a fellow but the title researcher doesn't exist- or if it does I've never met one! I don't know what she is endeavouring to research- from what you say its connections in the Jack the Ripper case to leading figures in contemporary society- I'd be really shocked if anyone serious was funding that- it sounds more conspiracy theorist than historian to be honest. Its good news that the case is resolved despite threats to appeal- I would hope that in prison Lowde might get some treatment and therefore for Rachel and her other victims things might return to normal- and for Lowde herself she might acheive the opportunity of getting some peace and normality into her life. I’d be very surprised if what FJL says about Oxford is true either- I’m a PhD student at Cambridge and as far as I am aware you can’t be a researcher at either Cambridge or Oxford- you are either a PhD student, a research fellow, a postdoctoral fellow or a fellow but the title researcher doesn’t exist- or if it does I’ve never met one!

I don’t know what she is endeavouring to research- from what you say its connections in the Jack the Ripper case to leading figures in contemporary society- I’d be really shocked if anyone serious was funding that- it sounds more conspiracy theorist than historian to be honest.

Its good news that the case is resolved despite threats to appeal- I would hope that in prison Lowde might get some treatment and therefore for Rachel and her other victims things might return to normal- and for Lowde herself she might acheive the opportunity of getting some peace and normality into her life.

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By: Rachel http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20737 Rachel Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:03:46 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20737 sorry about the spelling. Typing too fast, too much to do... sorry about the spelling. Typing too fast, too much to do…

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By: Rachel http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20736 Rachel Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:03:10 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20736 The ASBO is to protect her other victims, which includes my father, th eprosecuting police, the CPS prosecuting team, hewr previous defence lawyers, and will remain in place until overturned by any appeal , or when 5 years is expired, whichever is the sooner. The restraining order is to protect me. She can still use the net. She just can't use the net to harass certain named people. There was no psych. reprt so still no idea why she did it. The Judge said he did not think a report was necessary to sentence her: hopefully she will get assessed and treated, if possible, inside. I've thanked bloggers, said no to all interview requests, am braced to go through it all again in an appeal, though I doubt she'll be able to cross examine me in person, due to the nature of the offence and witness protection rules.I'm ploughing though zillions of emails, and messages. I'd like to repeat my thanks here to everyone who helped, especially Unity who'se NPD post was really useful to me in terms of understanding why she couldn't/wouldn't stop. I've explained why the internet campaign was so helpful, on my blog. And I'm looking forward to blogging about other stuff now, and getting on with normal life. I think I guessed most of the Cabinet wromg, for starters... The ASBO is to protect her other victims, which includes my father, th eprosecuting police, the CPS prosecuting team, hewr previous defence lawyers, and will remain in place until overturned by any appeal , or when 5 years is expired, whichever is the sooner. The restraining order is to protect me. She can still use the net. She just can’t use the net to harass certain named people. There was no psych. reprt so still no idea why she did it. The Judge said he did not think a report was necessary to sentence her: hopefully she will get assessed and treated, if possible, inside.

I’ve thanked bloggers, said no to all interview requests, am braced to go through it all again in an appeal, though I doubt she’ll be able to cross examine me in person, due to the nature of the offence and witness protection rules.I’m ploughing though zillions of emails, and messages. I’d like to repeat my thanks here to everyone who helped, especially Unity who’se NPD post was really useful to me in terms of understanding why she couldn’t/wouldn’t stop. I’ve explained why the internet campaign was so helpful, on my blog. And I’m looking forward to blogging about other stuff now, and getting on with normal life. I think I guessed most of the Cabinet wromg, for starters…

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By: Bridget http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20733 Bridget Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:53:30 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20733 Claims that fjl was a researcher at Oxford may well be inaccurate - as are claims Ms North 'gave up her job to campaign for an independent inquiry into the bombings' <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6249594.stm" rel="nofollow">BBC</a> Claims that fjl was a researcher at Oxford may well be inaccurate - as are claims Ms North ‘gave up her job to campaign for an independent inquiry into the bombings’

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By: Unity http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20731 Unity Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:25:13 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20731 DD: It depends on what's in the terms of the ASBO and the basis on which it was laid down. If it stems from an acknowledgement of the trail of other net users she's harassed then it could well incorporate restrictions on her use of the net, which could range form a complete ban to simply a 'don't use it for harassment' order. She should get psychiatric help, but if I was anywhere close in identifying a narcissistic personality disorder as the underlying cause of her behaviour then its in the nature of the condition that those with it are very unlikely to seek help voluntarily and that the nature of on-line communications may be a contributory factor and facilitate the disorder. The sanctions on an ASBO are not appropriate to the condition, but appropriately worded restrictions on net usage could be as this removes an outlet for her disordered behaviour that may force the issue of her accepting her need for help. Its a fine judgement call, but in the circumstances it would be better for her that she stay offline until she can get her problems under proper control, not least because, after all the publicity around this case, she's likely to be a very easy mark for a bit of deliberate troll-baiting which could set her off again and land her back in the pokey. Six months inside is about right for the harassment she's visited on Rachel, but next time out it could be anything up to five years and that would be harsh, which makes it preferably that things are nipped quickly in the bud if she does start up with her antics as the longer that's left unchecked the worse it'll be for her if someone does sick the Old Bill on her. The big legal deficiency in a case like this is that the court has the option of an ASBO but not, seemingly, a treatment order, which would be the more appropriate response. I've seen this kind of thing before, and if gets to stage where she become nothing more than troll-bait then it can all too quickly spiral destructively out of control - in some respects she fortunate that this has happened in the UK and not the US, where there's no shortage of people who think nothing of playing rough with individuals even when its obvious that have mental health problems. DD:

It depends on what’s in the terms of the ASBO and the basis on which it was laid down.

If it stems from an acknowledgement of the trail of other net users she’s harassed then it could well incorporate restrictions on her use of the net, which could range form a complete ban to simply a ‘don’t use it for harassment’ order.

She should get psychiatric help, but if I was anywhere close in identifying a narcissistic personality disorder as the underlying cause of her behaviour then its in the nature of the condition that those with it are very unlikely to seek help voluntarily and that the nature of on-line communications may be a contributory factor and facilitate the disorder.

The sanctions on an ASBO are not appropriate to the condition, but appropriately worded restrictions on net usage could be as this removes an outlet for her disordered behaviour that may force the issue of her accepting her need for help.

Its a fine judgement call, but in the circumstances it would be better for her that she stay offline until she can get her problems under proper control, not least because, after all the publicity around this case, she’s likely to be a very easy mark for a bit of deliberate troll-baiting which could set her off again and land her back in the pokey.

Six months inside is about right for the harassment she’s visited on Rachel, but next time out it could be anything up to five years and that would be harsh, which makes it preferably that things are nipped quickly in the bud if she does start up with her antics as the longer that’s left unchecked the worse it’ll be for her if someone does sick the Old Bill on her.

The big legal deficiency in a case like this is that the court has the option of an ASBO but not, seemingly, a treatment order, which would be the more appropriate response.

I’ve seen this kind of thing before, and if gets to stage where she become nothing more than troll-bait then it can all too quickly spiral destructively out of control - in some respects she fortunate that this has happened in the UK and not the US, where there’s no shortage of people who think nothing of playing rough with individuals even when its obvious that have mental health problems.

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By: dsquared http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20727 dsquared Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:51:59 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20727 hmmm, why is the ASBO necessary on top of the restraining order? I hate to get all "there is a wider principle involved", particularly in such a deserving case, but the use of ASBOs as a means of regulating the mentally ill is really bad public policy and I am not sure it's a good idea for bloggers to suddenly become in favour of it when one of our mates is involved. hmmm, why is the ASBO necessary on top of the restraining order? I hate to get all “there is a wider principle involved”, particularly in such a deserving case, but the use of ASBOs as a means of regulating the mentally ill is really bad public policy and I am not sure it’s a good idea for bloggers to suddenly become in favour of it when one of our mates is involved.

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By: Hawthorne http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20717 Hawthorne Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:24:34 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20717 I hope all will join in hoping this is an end to a very sorry affair. Hopefully Ms Lowde will stop her seemingly addictive need to harass others. I hope all will join in hoping this is an end to a very sorry affair. Hopefully Ms Lowde will stop her seemingly addictive need to harass others.

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By: Ms. Strega http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20711 Ms. Strega Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:54:27 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/06/28/felicity-lowde-sentenced/#comment-20711 I am glad Felicity Lowde was brought to justice. So much for her blustering that Rachel was the cyberstalker--a very common tactic of abusers, to accuse those they abuse of the very same crime. I hope that Felicity's sentencing will include court-ordered psychotherapy. I am glad Felicity Lowde was brought to justice. So much for her blustering that Rachel was the cyberstalker–a very common tactic of abusers, to accuse those they abuse of the very same crime.
I hope that Felicity’s sentencing will include court-ordered psychotherapy.

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