Comments on: Desperation knows no bounds… http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/ Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:06:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Cal http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21955 Cal Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:10:05 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21955 “Does anyone - or should I say anyone expressing an honest and unbiased opinion - really believe that a full audit of Tory Party finances and donations covering the Thatcher/Major government, which created 341 peers between them, would not show much the same kind of correlation?” Why would you assume that? The general assumption among the non-liberal, thinking population is that both parties are as corrupt as fuck and the Liberals (the actual political party) are deeply pissed that they aren’t the ones delivering the largess. The actual issue is the influence of vested financial interest over here today gone tomorrow politicians and whether this amounts to de facto plutocracy or not. Nu-Labour are corrupt but so were the Tories, so that’s okay then? “Does anyone - or should I say anyone expressing an honest and unbiased opinion - really believe that a full audit of Tory Party finances and donations covering the Thatcher/Major government, which created 341 peers between them, would not show much the same kind of correlation?”

Why would you assume that? The general assumption among the non-liberal, thinking population is that both parties are as corrupt as fuck and the Liberals (the actual political party) are deeply pissed that they aren’t the ones delivering the largess. The actual issue is the influence of vested financial interest over here today gone tomorrow politicians and whether this amounts to de facto plutocracy or not. Nu-Labour are corrupt but so were the Tories, so that’s okay then?

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By: anon again http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21910 anon again Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:35:59 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21910 It appears Guido's toys are well and truly out of his pram now.He's now making noises about a private prosecution but,tellingly, most of his sock puppets are very nervous about the issue of personal liability 'just in case' they get saddled with an enormous bill for legal costs. Even more tellingly Guido has listed his 5 reasons for pressing ahead with a private prosecution:these include, 'it'll wipe the smile off Levy's face' ,'it'll keep the issue of Labour sleaze in the headlines' and 'it'll discourage donations to the Labour Party' .Says it all really, when in a hole stop digging. Incidentally, it really is worth re-watching that Newsnight interview with the benefit of hindsight.I laughed my bollocks off... It appears Guido’s toys are well and truly out of his pram now.He’s now making noises about a private prosecution but,tellingly, most of his sock puppets are very nervous about the issue of personal liability ‘just in case’ they get saddled with an enormous bill for legal costs. Even more tellingly Guido has listed his 5 reasons for pressing ahead with a private prosecution:these include, ‘it’ll wipe the smile off Levy’s face’ ,’it’ll keep the issue of Labour sleaze in the headlines’ and ‘it’ll discourage donations to the Labour Party’ .Says it all really, when in a hole stop digging.

Incidentally, it really is worth re-watching that Newsnight interview with the benefit of hindsight.I laughed my bollocks off…

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By: Bob Piper http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21883 Bob Piper Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:48:52 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21883 Methinks you have got under his skin here, Unity. His inflated sense of self-importance knows no bounds and he couldn't resist trying to make himself look like a 'player'. Whatever people may say about Iain Dale, he is a genuine insider and his gossip is real. This pathetic turd is just a wannabe who clings to the hope that one day the Tories will select him as a candidate. The screenshots will be looking good if ever they were to make that mistake. Methinks you have got under his skin here, Unity. His inflated sense of self-importance knows no bounds and he couldn’t resist trying to make himself look like a ‘player’. Whatever people may say about Iain Dale, he is a genuine insider and his gossip is real. This pathetic turd is just a wannabe who clings to the hope that one day the Tories will select him as a candidate. The screenshots will be looking good if ever they were to make that mistake.

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By: The Wardman Wire » Identity Crisis? Who Am I? Life as a non-aligned blog http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21874 The Wardman Wire » Identity Crisis? Who Am I? Life as a non-aligned blog Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:35:56 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21874 [...] Ministry of Truth: there are actually some very good Tory bloggers out there, of whom I can happily recommend Mr [...] […] Ministry of Truth: there are actually some very good Tory bloggers out there, of whom I can happily recommend Mr […]

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By: epsilon http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21858 epsilon Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:57:26 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21858 Penguin- I wouldn't be surprised if his cleaner isn't an illegal immigrant. Typical Tory liar and hypocrite. Penguin- I wouldn’t be surprised if his cleaner isn’t an illegal immigrant.

Typical Tory liar and hypocrite.

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By: Political Penguin http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21854 Political Penguin Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:01:24 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21854 Epsilon, he can't live like a Lord, or maybe he can, he pays his cleaner peanuts. Epsilon, he can’t live like a Lord, or maybe he can, he pays his cleaner peanuts.

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By: Political Penguin http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21853 Political Penguin Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:00:13 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21853 Hey, I know Tim got in there first and he might be a muppet but I'll give him a hug. I'm really looking forward to his monologue on the Brown Premiership as I'll be in the show. Promise I'll be nice and I won't rip him apart. Promise. Hey, I know Tim got in there first and he might be a muppet but I’ll give him a hug. I’m really looking forward to his monologue on the Brown Premiership as I’ll be in the show. Promise I’ll be nice and I won’t rip him apart. Promise.

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By: epsilon http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21851 epsilon Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:34:16 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21851 Can we live in hope that Prattory lives in a caravan by the river Severn in south Worcestershire? Seriously, so many good people's lives wrecked by this weather- and a useless waste of space like that fucking cunt live like a lord in Prague. Where is the justice? Can we live in hope that Prattory lives in a caravan by the river Severn in south Worcestershire?

Seriously, so many good people’s lives wrecked by this weather- and a useless waste of space like that fucking cunt live like a lord in Prague.

Where is the justice?

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By: Unity http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21850 Unity Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:29:02 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21850 Go on, give him a hug. You know you want to really... Go on, give him a hug. You know you want to really…

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By: Political Penguin http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21848 Political Penguin Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:17:37 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21848 Should I qualify that last statement in true Prattory style by saying that information came to me from a very reliable source who's identity I must keep a secret but involves this guy I met down the pub with a pitbull who's cousin said he'd heard someone say something about it in a cafe in Prague that the taxi driver outside had in no uncertain terms confirmed that Prattory would be visiting the UK this weekend. Should I qualify that last statement in true Prattory style by saying that information came to me from a very reliable source who’s identity I must keep a secret but involves this guy I met down the pub with a pitbull who’s cousin said he’d heard someone say something about it in a cafe in Prague that the taxi driver outside had in no uncertain terms confirmed that Prattory would be visiting the UK this weekend.

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By: Political Penguin http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21847 Political Penguin Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:07:53 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21847 epsilon. Well if anyone wants to nab Prattory while he's in the UK, this weekend would seem a good opportunity as he's in Wolverhampton. epsilon. Well if anyone wants to nab Prattory while he’s in the UK, this weekend would seem a good opportunity as he’s in Wolverhampton.

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By: Unity http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21845 Unity Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:45:34 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21845 Oh fuck me, PT, you're absolutely priceless - your 'source' turns out the be the old 'my mate's cousin's nephew's best mate met this bloke in the pub who said...' story. Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh fuck me, PT, you’re absolutely priceless - your ’source’ turns out the be the old ‘my mate’s cousin’s nephew’s best mate met this bloke in the pub who said…’ story.

Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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By: Praguetory http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21844 Praguetory Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:28:54 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21844 I could name two people who claim to have spoken to Labour party donors who admitted that buying honours was exactly what was going on. Being as either them or the actual donor themselves can deny that these conversations took place, me reporting people wouldn't get us very far - think about it. Maybe one day I will be able to reveal more about these conversations, but I'll be the judge of that. The fact that many of these lenders originally wanted to donate but were asked to lend, that donor discussed Ps and Ks with Lord Levy and that the Labour Party hushed up these arrangements even from their own treasurer (Dromey) is evidence enough for me. And for good measure fuck off you piece of shit. Against some strong competition you are indeed the saddest wretch I have seen spamming away at a PC. I could name two people who claim to have spoken to Labour party donors who admitted that buying honours was exactly what was going on. Being as either them or the actual donor themselves can deny that these conversations took place, me reporting people wouldn’t get us very far - think about it. Maybe one day I will be able to reveal more about these conversations, but I’ll be the judge of that.

The fact that many of these lenders originally wanted to donate but were asked to lend, that donor discussed Ps and Ks with Lord Levy and that the Labour Party hushed up these arrangements even from their own treasurer (Dromey) is evidence enough for me.

And for good measure fuck off you piece of shit. Against some strong competition you are indeed the saddest wretch I have seen spamming away at a PC.

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By: Sim-O http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21843 Sim-O Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:07:04 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21843 How hard must it be to prove there was an agreement regarding the sale of an honour. Because the investigation was initiated by a third party, the police had to prove there was an unambiguous agreement between the two sides. Not an easy task, there will always be a doubt there. How hard must it be to prove there was an agreement regarding the sale of an honour.
Because the investigation was initiated by a third party, the police had to prove there was an unambiguous agreement between the two sides.
Not an easy task, there will always be a doubt there.

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By: Chuck Unsworth http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21840 Chuck Unsworth Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:19:03 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21840 Feudal patronage continues in great measure in Downing Street. But one should recall the great ritual chanting from New Labour about it being a party of honesty and integrity, and how the Conservatives were mired in unremitting sleaze. How do we feel about that now? Is New Labour the paragon of probity and openness we should all model ourselves upon? Maybe we just should. It's all very well saying that others are 'just as bad'. That's not the point. Feudal patronage continues in great measure in Downing Street. But one should recall the great ritual chanting from New Labour about it being a party of honesty and integrity, and how the Conservatives were mired in unremitting sleaze.

How do we feel about that now? Is New Labour the paragon of probity and openness we should all model ourselves upon? Maybe we just should.

It’s all very well saying that others are ‘just as bad’. That’s not the point.

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By: Unity http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21838 Unity Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:33:37 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21838 No they certainly don't, Hawthorne, although my point in raising those questions is that this whole inquiry is merely symptomatic of a deeper malaise rooted in the continued existence of feudal patronage in the UK's political system. No they certainly don’t, Hawthorne, although my point in raising those questions is that this whole inquiry is merely symptomatic of a deeper malaise rooted in the continued existence of feudal patronage in the UK’s political system.

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By: Hawthorne http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21837 Hawthorne Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:21:19 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21837 Whilst I do agree with a lot of what you said. "Does anyone - or should I say anyone expressing an honest and unbiased opinion - really believe that a full audit of Tory Party finances and donations covering the Thatcher/Major government, which created 341 peers between them, would not show much the same kind of correlation? And what about the £6 million in loans that the Tories paid off to ensure that the identities of their backers remained out of the public domain?" Very likely, having said that it doesn't mean that the Conservatives were right to do it as well. Two wrongs don't make an ok. Whilst I do agree with a lot of what you said.

“Does anyone - or should I say anyone expressing an honest and unbiased opinion - really believe that a full audit of Tory Party finances and donations covering the Thatcher/Major government, which created 341 peers between them, would not show much the same kind of correlation?

And what about the £6 million in loans that the Tories paid off to ensure that the identities of their backers remained out of the public domain?”

Very likely, having said that it doesn’t mean that the Conservatives were right to do it as well. Two wrongs don’t make an ok.

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By: Matt W http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21830 Matt W Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:17:05 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21830 Thanks for the link. Don't know about the Tory, though - this morning I'm being called a leftie for defending the BBC. I love it. Thanks for the link.

Don’t know about the Tory, though - this morning I’m being called a leftie for defending the BBC.

I love it.

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By: Bloggerheads http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21828 Bloggerheads Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:13:01 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21828 <strong>Couldn't have happened to a nicer party...</strong> I suppose I should expand on my previous entry... :o) The Tories came third in both seats (and there's some lovely live-blogging of those results here if you're interested). If you hear any bulldust* about gains today, those figures are...... Couldn’t have happened to a nicer party…

I suppose I should expand on my previous entry… :o) The Tories came third in both seats (and there’s some lovely live-blogging of those results here if you’re interested). If you hear any bulldust* about gains today, those figures are……

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By: anon again http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21827 anon again Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:10:25 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/07/20/desperation-knows-no-bounds/#comment-21827 you gotta laugh, you really just have to you gotta laugh, you really just have to

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